Ford's biggest SUV gets bigger...

[snide]

Article. Not quite Excursion big. Needs a diesel.

[Mike Mercury]

[C5SilverBullet]

Has me considering one over the Suburban. Unlikely, but a thought.

[NavyC5]

What do you call three Fords and a Chevy?

Junk yard and a ride home

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by NavyC5

What do you call three Fords and a Chevy?

Junk yard and a ride home

Says the guy who drives a Ram.

[NavyC5]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

Says the guy who drives a Ram.

For the time being I still own a Chevy...no complaints from the Ram, I refuse to buy a Ford. Something wrong with an HD truck that you immediately have to put aftermarket airbags in to haul any kind of a load.

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by snide

Article. Not quite Excursion big. Needs a diesel.

Nah- they need to break GM's hammerlock on the luxury-mom SUV market. One half hour in my Middle School parking lot (very upscale neighborhood) when school lets out would graphically tell the story. The number of big GM SUV's is truly eye-popping... especially when you consider a new Tahoe/Suburban (the entry level model) runs out at $75K fully loaded, and Escalades easily climb into the six figures.

Odd that Ford hasn't figured this segment out, since they dominate the mid-size segment with the Explorer. They don't need a diesel- they need to best Cadillac's 425hp V8... in a package that makes a similar statement the Escalade does. Like the big GM's or not... they do have presence.

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by NavyC5

For the time being I still own a Chevy...no complaints from the Ram, I refuse to buy a Ford. Something wrong with an HD truck that you immediately have to put aftermarket airbags in to haul any kind of a load.

Something very wrong if you think you have to.

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by snide

Article. Not quite Excursion big. Needs a diesel.

I'd consider test driving the V8 option when we are replacing Karen's car next.

Before I bought the Yukon Denali, I test drove the explorer and last model expedition, the turbo was laggy and the seats were short, flat, and unsupportive.

The damn Tahoes, Yukons, and Escalades are stupid expensive but there's nothing else on the market quite like them. But the 5.3L was insufficient in the Tahoe for that kind of money.

I will say my service experience has been so poor with the Yukon I'm really beginning to open up to the thought of a foreign car for my next new car.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by polarbear

Something very wrong if you think you have to.

I believe Ryan's pulling that fact out of his ass...

[Mike Mercury]

[NavyC5]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

I believe Ryan's pulling that fact out of his ass...

Two friends of my father have new model F-250. Both pull average size 5th wheels. Both had to install aftermarket airbags to keep out of the overload springs.

[NavyC5]

Originally Posted by polarbear

Something very wrong if you think you have to.

Might want to look up the new rear suspension on that truck. Ford added at least one leaf spring to solve the problem. This is pretty much what their trucks look like with even a medium size 5th wheel

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by NavyC5

Two friends of my father have new model F-250. Both pull average size 5th wheels. Both had to install aftermarket airbags to keep out of the overload springs.

If they had simply bought a F350, for a couple hundred more, the additional springs and GVW would have come standard. Only difference between the two is... wait for it... the additional springs (and an inch ride height). I pulled 10-11K with mine, and got next to zero squat (F350 Crew, single-wheel).

This is different from the GM line, where a 3500 pretty much means duals. Not true in Ford. The serious haulers in Fordland go with the F450. Rated to tow 32,500.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by polarbear

If they had simply bought a F350, for a couple hundred more, the additional springs and GVW would have come standard. Only difference between the two is... wait for it... the additional springs (and an inch ride height). I pulled 10-11K with mine, and got next to zero squat (F350 Crew).

This is different from the GM line, where a 3500 pretty much means duals. Not true in Ford. The serious haulers in Fordland go with the F450. Rated to tow 32,500.

Just because it can tow it, doesn't mean it can stop or control it

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by vetteman9368

Just because it can tow it, doesn't mean it can stop or control it

The factory tow rating means exactly that- it is within the constraints of the chassis capabilities. Those tow ratings carry some serious legal implications, so they are- if anything- on the conservative side. That's a very serious (and expensive) tow vehicle.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by polarbear

The factory tow rating means exactly that- it is within the constraints of the chassis capabilities. Those tow ratings carry some serious legal implications, so they are- if anything- on the conservative side. That's a very serious (and expensive) tow vehicle.

You do know that they perform those tests with basically stacked plate steel right? Big difference between a 30' gooseneck with double tandem axles and about 18" of steel plate on it and a 52' enclosed 3 car stacker trailer, even if they weigh the same.

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

I'd consider test driving the V8 option when we are replacing Karen's car next.

Before I bought the Yukon Denali, I test drove the explorer and last model expedition, the turbo was laggy and the seats were short, flat, and unsupportive.

The damn Tahoes, Yukons, and Escalades are stupid expensive but there's nothing else on the market quite like them. But the 5.3L was insufficient in the Tahoe for that kind of money.

I will say my service experience has been so poor with the Yukon I'm really beginning to open up to the thought of a foreign car for my next new car.

There is no V8 option.

[C5SilverBullet]

Originally Posted by polarbear

Nah- they need to break GM's hammerlock on the luxury-mom SUV market. One half hour in my Middle School parking lot (very upscale neighborhood) when school lets out would graphically tell the story. The number of big GM SUV's is truly eye-popping... especially when you consider a new Tahoe/Suburban (the entry level model) runs out at $75K fully loaded, and Escalades easily climb into the six figures.

Odd that Ford hasn't figured this segment out, since they dominate the mid-size segment with the Explorer. They don't need a diesel- they need to best Cadillac's 425hp V8... in a package that makes a similar statement the Escalade does. Like the big GM's or not... they do have presence.

GM accounts for 75% of all large SUV sales.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by C5SilverBullet

There is no V8 option.

And there's another problem.