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Old 06-29-2022, 7:44am   #21
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For Veterans, never. The majority of the rest of civilians decades ago.
Regarding the Veterans, that’s not what I was really driving at.

In the late 70’s when I was considering the military, Vietnam had essentially just ended. The hangover was a real thing for many people. I remember the war but nothing specific. It was on TV news most nights in my house which my parents watched religiously. My father was in the Army and he never encouraged - or discouraged me from enlisting. But I had friends who’s parents were *absolutely* against it.

Did we ever clear that post-Vietnam hurdle to enlisting?
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Kinda like the progressives who want socialism, you mean? Say it isn't so.
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Along with all the young people I encounter who INSIST of socialism with ZERO knowledge of past human experience with it. They know nothing, but are 100% certain that they are "morally superior" to people like me with real life experience, so my view means nothing to them.
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Regarding the Veterans, that’s not what I was really driving at.

In the late 70’s when I was considering the military, Vietnam had essentially just ended. The hangover was a real thing for many people. I remember the war but nothing specific. It was on TV news most nights in my house which my parents watched religiously. My father was in the Army and he never encouraged - or discouraged me from enlisting. But I had friends who’s parents were *absolutely* against it.

Did we ever clear that post-Vietnam hurdle to enlisting?

I came of age in the 70's.

I always wanted to join the USMC. All through HS and College whenever I was asked what I wanted to do I told them. They'd mostly respond that "Why do you want to waste your life" or You're much smarter or better than that".

When I failed my Physical ( really bad eyesight) . I regrets not serving and I see the constant denigrating of those who wish to serve.
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I came of age in the 70's.

I always wanted to join the USMC. All through HS and College whenever I was asked what I wanted to do I told them. They'd mostly respond that "Why do you want to waste your life" or You're much smarter or better than that".

When I failed my Physical ( really bad eyesight) . I regrets not serving and I see the constant denigrating of those who wish to serve.
In today's climate, I wouldn't encourage anyone to join, but i will offer advice and assistance if they do decide to sign the dotted line.
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I came of age in the 70's.

I always wanted to join the USMC. All through HS and College whenever I was asked what I wanted to do I told them. They'd mostly respond that "Why do you want to waste your life" or You're much smarter or better than that".

When I failed my Physical ( really bad eyesight) . I regrets not serving and I see the constant denigrating of those who wish to serve.
4 years of kolledge, August of '66 I was rejected by AF and Navy, so enlisted in Army....Ft. Holibird in Bawltimore....train south to camp in the Carolinas.....krazy time, 3rd platoon to be there for basic since WW2.....stupid bunks with no springs/slats, slept worse than a hammock.....got up one AM and nearly fell over, commanded by Doc at base infirmary to touch my toes, bad lo spine/sac region....about fell over again, they caught me that time.....medical discharge......I really wanted to do/get electronic schooling in the AF or Navy.....oh well......
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They'd mostly respond that "Why do you want to waste your life" or You're much smarter or better than that".
I had a very similar experience but it was framed differently. I was a HORRIBLE student, not really motivated to do much and in a bit of trouble from time to time. The military was pitched to me as ‘WTF else are you gonna do? You suck at school and don’t have a clue what your plans are.’ (This advice came from school councilors not my parents) ‘Smart’ kids in my school and neighborhood went to college.
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4 years of kolledge, August of '66 I was rejected by AF and Navy, so enlisted in Army....Ft. Holibird in Bawltimore....train south to camp in the Carolinas.....krazy time, 3rd platoon to be there for basic since WW2.....stupid bunks with no springs/slats, slept worse than a hammock.....got up one AM and nearly fell over, commanded by Doc at base infirmary to touch my toes, bad lo spine/sac region....about fell over again, they caught me that time.....medical discharge......I really wanted to do/get electronic schooling in the AF or Navy.....oh well......
Ft. "Relaxin" Jackson. That's where I did basic, but we weren't in the two-story wooden barracks.
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I was rejected by AF and Navy, so enlisted in Army....
What were you rejected for Gene?
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They couldn't understand him.
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4 years of kolledge, August of '66 I was rejected by AF and Navy, so enlisted in Army....Ft. Holibird in Bawltimore....train south to camp in the Carolinas.....krazy time, 3rd platoon to be there for basic since WW2.....stupid bunks with no springs/slats, slept worse than a hammock.....got up one AM and nearly fell over, commanded by Doc at base infirmary to touch my toes, bad lo spine/sac region....about fell over again, they caught me that time.....medical discharge......I really wanted to do/get electronic schooling in the AF or Navy.....oh well......

Really Detroit?
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join us: learn to use deadly weapons, travel to far and exotic places, kill strangers using those weapons, return home to get a small ribbon and maybe shake the president's hand. what fun!
That was the fun part!
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They couldn't understand him.
I have had a BAD lo back/spine since I can remember....grade screwal yet.....

extra vert down lo, called Spondalitis L6, only supposed to have 5 lo verts....

AF/Navy rejected me on Xrays alone, Army took me in......and one month and one day later my Dad picked me up at Wash Nat. airport, me setting on the duffle bag in the evening, I called from the airport, not able to give any warning....he was shocked about the turn of events.....
Dad used to have a bad lo back too, I remember him complaining when I was a little kid, but I know he was in the Ohio Nat Guard for a few years..I bet he had the same shit rong with his back....but he born in 1907 so preceded all the Xray/etc today......
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I retired in 04, saw the train wreck coming and wanted to get out of dodge before the wrecking ball swung. I'm glad I left. I remember the first time some new E-1 raised a reg flag and said he needed a time out because he was stressed out on the ship. The thoughts ran thru my head of "How long can you tread water?". Instead, I put my retirement papers in the next day.
I had an FC3 pull that on me after I found out he had turned on a circuit breaker that I had tagged out so my team could do some maintenance on launchers.

I ripped it up and threw it in his face while giving him a nuclear blast dressing down!!
The look on his face was priceless!! Said he was going to tell his chief, so I brought him right to the chief's mess, told him what he did, and he asked me to leave so he could "take care of it"!!

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Military recruiting problems?

Brandon junta: Hold my ice cream!

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Army Cuts Off More Than 60K Unvaccinated Guard and Reserve Soldiers from Pay and Benefits

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Military.com | By Steve Beynon

Some 40,000 National Guard and 22,000 Reserve soldiers who refused to be vaccinated against COVID-19 are no longer allowed to participate in their military duties, also effectively cutting them off from some of their military benefits, Army officials announced Friday.

"Soldiers who refuse the vaccination order without an approved or pending exemption request are subject to adverse administrative actions, including flags, bars to service, and official reprimands," an Army spokesperson said in a statement.

The move comes in the midst of the annual training season, during which part-time soldiers are often ordered to serve from two weeks to a month with their units for summer training exercises. Those training events are usually critical for soldiers to sharpen their military skills and for unit commanders to ensure their formations are ready to deploy if needed.

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If the soldiers continue to refuse the vaccine, the consequences could be even more dire. "In the future, Soldiers who continue to refuse the vaccination order without an exemption may be subject to additional adverse administrative action, including separation," the Army spokesperson said.

The long-term impact may mean many soldiers would be forced to leave, a devastating outcome especially in the middle of a recruiting crisis as Defense Department officials struggle to fill the ranks.

Soldiers will be allowed to come on duty and earn their pay in order to be vaccinated or to take part in separation procedures.

"We're going to give every soldier every opportunity to get vaccinated and continue their military career," Lt. Gen. Jon Jensen, director of the Army Guard, told Military.com in an emailed statement. "We're not giving up on anybody until the separation paperwork is signed and completed."

The Army National Guard and Reserve deadline to receive the vaccine was June 30, the latest of all the services, which required vaccination last year. As of July 1, 13% of the Army Guard and 12% of the Reserve is unvaccinated.

Part-time soldiers with a pending medical or religious exemption for the vaccine may continue to train with their units and collect pay and benefits. But exemption approvals are rare.

The vaccines have some rare side effects, including heart inflammation that has affected at least 22 service members, according to a study from the JAMA Network.

Only six Guard soldiers across all states and territories have permanent medical exemptions for the vaccine, out of 53 who requested one, according to Army data. No Reserve soldiers have a medical exemption.

No Guard or Reserve soldiers have been approved for a religious exemption after nearly 3,000 requests. It is unclear what would qualify a soldier for a waiver on religious grounds. Soldiers are required to be innoculated against at least a dozen other ailments, including the flu and hepatitis. And no major religious leaders have come out against vaccines.

Army officials have stopped short of outlining a clear plan on removing part-time soldiers, particularly Guardsmen, from service for continuing to refuse the vaccine. As of now, Guardsmen are barred only from attending federally funded drills and other training events, which make up the bulk of their service. While Guardsmen technically serve under their respective governors during their typical weekend duties, those weekends are federally funded.

Multiple Republican governors have vowed not to kick out Guardsmen who remain unvaccinated. It's unclear how easy it will be for the Defense Department to enforce its decision to bar unvaccinated Guardsmen from pay and benefits. On paper, the only thing an unvaccinated Guard soldier is qualified for now is state active-duty orders, a comparatively rare tool for a governor to activate their Guard for short-term emergencies such as hurricane relief and responding to domestic disturbances.

SAD duties are usually short term. However, there are outliers such as Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, who has used SAD orders lasting up to a year to mobilize thousands of troops for missions on the U.S.-Mexico border.

But SAD duties do not qualify Guardsmen for federal benefits or retirement -- effectively shutting them out of all of the military's service incentives other than a paycheck.

Reserve soldiers fall exclusively under the federal government, possibly making it easier to separate them from service.

As of Friday, 1,148 active-duty soldiers have been removed from the Army for failing to comply with the vaccine mandate.

I guess it's easier to double down on stupid, vs. admitting you made a mistake in the first place.
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I guess it's easier to double down on stupid, vs. admitting you made a mistake in the first place.
Double down? He's done more than that.
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Sadly I know a dood, good dood, in USAF, pilot, 4+ years in on a 10-year, getting booted in next 30 - 60 days as will not take jabs.
His squadron is already understaffed and overstressed, and losing a few who will not get jabbed will make it much worse.
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Sadly I know a dood, good dood, in USAF, pilot, 4+ years in on a 10-year, getting booted in next 30 - 60 days as will not take jabs.
His squadron is already understaffed and overstressed, and losing a few who will not get jabbed will make it much worse.
Unfortunately, it's not about the jab, it's about not following orders.
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USAF announced today they were going to slow down promotions. In the service with the slowest promotions already. SLOW..it...more.....

That'll help with retention...

https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Disp...omotion-rates/
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