Was it an attack on gays

[Olustee bus]

I would like your input here. Liberals and gays seem to think this was an attack on gays and that conservatives don't care. I personally don't think it was an attack on gays. I think he chose that spot not because the people there were gay. I think he chose it as it was a place where he knew he could do lots of damage in a short time.

I know he visited Disney beforehand. I think he felt his attack would be less successful there as the people were dispersed more and in open spaces.

He did his attack in a very crowded, loud, dark place, giving him easier targets and less resistance.

What do you think?

[OddBall]

Could very well have been both reasons.

[SQUIRMIN VERMIN 84]

If these reports of him being gay are true, it doesn't seem like a hate crime regarding gays... or maybe he was butt hurt over a pick up rejection... just enough to push him over the edge.

[mrvette]

Any/ALL of the above.....brace up guys, I feel this is going to be one bitch of a year on this shit.....

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Any/ALL of the above.....brace up guys, I feel this is going to be one bitch of a year on this shit.....

Gives a whole new meaning to We've Only Just Begun by The Carpenters.

[ApexOversteer]

Was it an attack on gays? Yes, don't be stupid.

Politically, does it matter that it was an attack on gays? Not even a little bit.

[ApexOversteer]

Originally Posted by mrvette

Any/ALL of the above.....brace up guys, I feel this is going to be one bitch of a year on this shit.....

You're 8 to 10 years short on that forecast, methinks...

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by ApexOversteer

Was it an attack on gays? Yes, don't be stupid.

[Brett K]

It was an attack on Americans on American soil. That is all that is necessary to understand to be outraged.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Olustee bus

Liberals... seem to think this was an attack on gays and that conservatives don't care.

they invent their own set of facts, and are directed to ignore the truth.

This is the definition of being caught up in a cult.

[RedLS1GTO]

He picked a place that was absolutely guaranteed to have zero resistance.

People always get pissed off at stereotypes but let's call a spade a spade. Is there any place in this country where you are less likely to find people who are carrying than a gay club?

I challenge somebody to come up with an easier target than this was.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Is there any place in this country where you are less likely to find people who are carrying than a gay club?

Chicago.

What'd I win?!

[Barn Babe]

It was an attack on Americans. The gay issue was probably a factor, but I'm guessing the next one will focus on another societal group.

[vetteman9368]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Chicago.

What'd I win?!

He didn't say legally carrying

[DAB]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

He picked a place that was absolutely guaranteed to have zero resistance.

People always get pissed off at stereotypes but let's call a spade a spade. Is there any place in this country where you are less likely to find people who are carrying than a gay club?

I challenge somebody to come up with an easier target than this was.

crowded mall on the day after Thanksgiving.

moderate sized church on a busy sunday.

any place with a line waiting to get thru security (airport, sporting event).

these muslims don't just want to die and go visit allah. they want to take as many infidels (that's you and me) with them as possible. and they'll use whatever tools they can get their hands on.

this was one guy who had done some scouting. imagine how much of a mess 2-4 guys, who had a plan, could do. 3 go into a place with one entry, everyone is either killed or chased out the front door, and #4 kills them at that choke point.

the list of targets is beyond imagination. and all these latest attacks have been taking place in what i'd call secondary cities. San Bernadino (not LA), Chattanooga (not Nashville), Orlando (not Miami). i'd have to guess that these attackers have concluded that large cities are better prepared and defended, and not worth the risk, so they go to the next size cities in the area.

[Barn Babe]

Originally Posted by DAB

crowded mall on the day after Thanksgiving.

moderate sized church on a busy sunday.

any place with a line waiting to get thru security (airport, sporting event).

these muslims don't just want to die and go visit allah. they want to take as many infidels (that's you and me) with them as possible. and they'll use whatever tools they can get their hands on.

this was one guy who had done some scouting. imagine how much of a mess 2-4 guys, who had a plan, could do. 3 go into a place with one entry, everyone is either killed or chased out the front door, and #4 kills them at that choke point.

the list of targets is beyond imagination. and all these latest attacks have been taking place in what i'd call secondary cities. San Bernadino (not LA), Chattanooga (not Nashville), Orlando (not Miami). i'd have to guess that these attackers have concluded that large cities are better prepared and defended, and not worth the risk, so they go to the next size cities in the area.

That's a great point, I hadn't thought of that.

[Cybercowboy]

You want speculation? I'll give you speculation.

The shooter Omar was closet gay, his father knew though and hated that his son was gay, and probably made snide comments to him all the time. Omar would rail on gays to his coworkers at the security firm he worked for. This is classic self-hating behavior.

He had been radicalized both at his local mosque, online, and during his trips to Saudi Arabia. It pissed him off to be on the FBI's radar, as they had the audacity to actually follow up on the fact that he claimed to a number of people to be a member of various terrorist organizations.

He liked going to Pulse, but he hated himself for it. He'd go there, and do one of three things. Sit quietly and get a good buzz, get rip-roaring drunk and belligerent, or hit on dudes and hook up occasionally. Each time he went he probably thought to himself "I could kill all these infidels, and they deserve it." He had became comfortable going there, so comfortable he had his nominal wife drive him there on occasion.

Now, either because his handlers ordered him to or he just decided it was time for his jihad, he needed to pick a target. He knew that he got one shot at this, as getting away alive and not getting caught later was so slim as to be near impossible. We all know that for some time now the Islamic nutjobs have been fantasizing about a hit on Disney. He probably thought he could do it, his handlers probably even asked him to scope it out. And he realized it would be hard to get more than a handful of kills before their security nailed him. There are hundreds of hidden entrances/tunnels/cameras there. Just getting on the property with weapons would be extremely difficult.

But Pulse. Pulse solved all those issues plus it had the added psychological benefit of salving his inner demons over being bi-sexual. He'd prove to his dad that his son was a real man, he'd show those co-workers that he wasn't just bluffing, he'd thumb his nose at the FBI (the idiots!), and he'd probably get some personal satisfaction from killing a few people he knew and didn't like for whatever reason.

He knew the security arrangement there. One armed off-duty cop, a few unarmed bouncers, that's it. Take out the cop, take out the bouncers, and the only limitation on how many he can kill is whether he can do magazine changes quickly enough. But he'd already had ample training for that in Saudi Arabia or even here in the states.

So Pulse it was.

[DAB]

i'm not convinced that there are central 'handlers' pointing these guys in various directions. the call has gone out to engage in jihad, details are up to whomever is listening and believing in this call.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by DAB

i'm not convinced that there are central 'handlers' pointing these guys in various directions. the call has gone out to engage in jihad, details are up to whomever is listening and believing in this call.

I do and the reason why is the connection to San Bernardino (affiliated mosques), his second wife magically came from there (close by anyway) out of the blue, his affilliation with Black Panther Marcus Dwayne Robertson, he knew that American dude who went to Syria a couple of years ago to be a suicide bomber, and his trips to Saudi Arabia.

[DAB]

yeah, there are some common threads among these people. maybe we should go after the common threads? and the root? (hint, that would be islam that teaches killing the infidels).