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Old 07-10-2016, 11:08am   #21
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Anyone watch the posted video?
Yes,last night good stuff.
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Yes,last night good stuff.
I don't think his position or feelings have changed since the beginning. I do, sometimes, question his delivery of the message.

I'd like to hear a non-Trump perspective. Maybe it could crack that door an inch.
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Yes. Impressive.
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You kiss your mother with that mouth ?...
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Wow. I actually agree with you 100% on something. Guy is a loser and so are his supporters.
Thanks for your opinion.

I prefer somebody in office that realizes you can't spend more than you make. I want someone who actually has run a business and knows the struggles behind that. I want someone who isn't a career politician.

If that makes me a loser so be it.

I know of plenty of people who would like to be as big of a loser as I am.

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You kiss your mother with that mouth ?...
I think he response was fairly well restrained considering the broad brush insult thrown out at him.
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Thanks for your opinion.

I prefer somebody in office that realizes you can't spend more than you make. I want someone who actually has run a business and knows the struggles behind that. I want someone who isn't a career politician.

If that makes me a loser so be it.

I know of plenty of people who would like to be as big of a loser as I am.

Agreed. I like someone like Trump, who cashed a 13-cent check.
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Agreed. I like someone like Trump, who cashed a 13-cent check.
Is that supposed to be an insult?
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Is that supposed to be an insult?
Nope. Trump supposedly did cash a 13-cent check, and I like the frugality of that.
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My brother in law makes fun of me because I will pick up a penny on the ground......why not ? ......it's American currency !
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Admit it, in your book, if Trump could walk on water or raise the dead, it STILL wouldn't be enough, would it?
Not at all. If I thought he has the temperament and control his impulses and consider the consequences of his actions I would be all for a Trump administration. We share a lot of opinions, and he is not beholding to any political PAC that I can think of. My problem pure and simple is that the man can be a total d!ckwad, then brag about it on Twitter and think that somehow furthers his cause. NOT.
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Not at all. If I thought he has the temperament and control his impulses and consider the consequences of his actions I would be all for a Trump administration. We share a lot of opinions, and he is not beholding to any political PAC that I can think of. My problem pure and simple is that the man can be a total d!ckwad, then brag about it on Twitter and think that somehow furthers his cause. NOT.
Actually, so far it has furthered his cause...but he does need to get more somber and "Presidential". Please consider this: One does not become a very successful businessman by not controlling his impulses and not considering the consequences of his actions. I truly believe that there is much more to Trump than we know about.
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Not at all. If I thought he has the temperament and control his impulses and consider the consequences of his actions I would be all for a Trump administration. We share a lot of opinions, and he is not beholding to any political PAC that I can think of. My problem pure and simple is that the man can be a total d!ckwad, then brag about it on Twitter and think that somehow furthers his cause. NOT.
I won't waste time with my political leanings- it really comes down to this.

1. I wouldn't vote for Hillary if Hell froze over. Period.

2. A vote for the third or fourth party candidates is, in reality, a vote for Hillary. F'eck that.

3. Not voting would be the same as Option #2.

That pretty much leaves Trump.
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A vote for a third or fourth party candidate is exactly that... one person choosing the candidate he/she prefers. It is a zero sum game for the two major party candidates since neither of them gets that individual's vote. If one still believes in free will, and refuses to choose the lesser of two evils just to be somehow "socially acceptable"; not holding one's nose and voting seems a perfectly logical and noble thing to do.
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A vote for a third or fourth party candidate is exactly that... one person choosing the candidate he/she prefers. It is a zero sum game for the two major party candidates since neither of them gets that individual's vote. If one still believes in free will, and refuses to choose the lesser of two evils just to be somehow "socially acceptable"; not holding one's nose and voting seems a perfectly logical and noble thing to do.
That's the exact logic that got Obama re-elected four years ago. I've never forgiven conservatives for that.

It isn't a zero sum game- math must not be your strong suit.
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That's the exact logic that got Obama re-elected four years ago. I've never forgiven conservatives for that.

It isn't a zero sum game- math must not be your strong suit.
I failed calculus, twice. However let me say this; each of us must live with the choice we make at the polls. For me, to not choose is evasion. If the answer for me is "none of the main candidates" then my only choice is a third or other party vote. My vote must go to whoever I think might make my life better, or at least not worse regardless of whether I shape the final outcome or not. I hope that all of us are guided by the "ME" principal instead of blind party lines or a feeling of inevitability. If we do not put our interest first I guarantee the winner will not either.
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That's the exact logic that got Obama re-elected four years ago. I've never forgiven conservatives for that.

It isn't a zero sum game- math must not be your strong suit.
My math skills are excellent; and I plan to vote for the best qualified candidate. It's not my fault that the Democrat and Republican Party voters picked the two worst candidates, probably in this county's history. Both candidates are counting on the other's negative numbers for their best chance to win; that's no way to pick a leader, but that's what it's come down to. If you guys think Trump is the best thing ever, by all means vote for him, twice if you can, woo-hoo for your enthusiasm. I'm going to vote for a candidate that deserves my vote.
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I failed calculus, twice. However let me say this; each of us must live with the choice we make at the polls. For me, to not choose is evasion. If the answer for me is "none of the main candidates" then my only choice is a third or other party vote. My vote must go to whoever I think might make my life better, or at least not worse regardless of whether I shape the final outcome or not. I hope that all of us are guided by the "ME" principal instead of blind party lines or a feeling of inevitability. If we do not put our interest first I guarantee the winner will not either.
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My math skills are excellent; and I plan to vote for the best qualified candidate. It's not my fault that the Democrat and Republican Party voters picked the two worst candidates, probably in this county's history. Both candidates are counting on the other's negative numbers for their best chance to win; that's no way to pick a leader, but that's what it's come down to. If you guys think Trump is the best thing ever, by all means vote for him, twice if you can, woo-hoo for your enthusiasm. I'm going to vote for a candidate that deserves my vote.
I'm not convinced the Republicans picked the worst candidate. Let's be honest, most of them are really Democrats masquerading as conservatives. The interest groups they serve are the same, and they all worship at the same altar of money. Which explains, in simplest terms, why the economic and social policies served the needs of those in a position to wield the most influence for the past 20+ years. They bought off the poor... and the rest of us are footing the bill.

But lets keep it simple. Ten people in a room going to elect a leader. Four want the Red. Three want the Yellow. Two decide, in good conscience, to vote for Blue. One abstains because "Pie" wasn't a choice on the ballot.

Red wins- done. Not because Red had the most votes, but because the slow kids in the room didn't understand the part about "one of the two top choices is going to win."

Really as simple as that.
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I'm not convinced the Republicans picked the worst candidate. Let's be honest, most of them are really Democrats masquerading as conservatives. The interest groups they serve are the same, and they all worship at the same altar of money. Which explains, in simplest terms, why the economic and social policies served the needs of those in a position to wield the most influence for the past 20+ years. They bought off the poor... and the rest of us are footing the bill.

But lets keep it simple. Ten people in a room going to elect a leader. Four want the Red. Three want the Yellow. Two decide, in good conscience, to vote for Blue. One abstains because "Pie" wasn't a choice on the ballot.

Red wins- done. Not because Red had the most votes, but because the slow kids in the room didn't understand the part about "one of the two top choices is going to win."

Really as simple as that.
Great explanation!!!
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