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Old 06-18-2012, 8:20pm   #41
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BTW, Joe, I'm going to bed 'cause I've had a long day. Don't view my silence as anything but that. I will debate you anywhere, anytime. I use facts, not rhetoric and fear-mongering.
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Can you honestly say that illegals are NOT a major drain on our country's resources?
What constitutes a "Major drain?" I don't like them here and I don't want them here, but how much of an impact would NOT paying for illegals have?
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What constitutes a "Major drain?" I don't like them here and I don't want them here, but how much of an impact would NOT paying for illegals have?
Tens of billions of dollars from what I heard. Even if it's a few dollars, it's still too much given to freeloaders.

What to come to the USA? Do it legally or lose everything when you get deported immediately.
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BTW, Joe, I'm going to bed 'cause I've had a long day. Don't view my silence as anything but that. I will debate you anywhere, anytime. I use facts, not rhetoric and fear-mongering.
As did I in this thread.
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What to come to the USA? Do it legally or lose everything when you get deported immediately
I agree, but we don't have the balls to do it unfortunately, and we never will.
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I agree, but we don't have the balls to do it unfortunately, and we never will.
There are folks running for office that would do it, but the major news outlets never give them name recognition so they fade into obscurity.

( I tried my best to make that non partisan as there are good folks for our country that get overlooked )
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Seems to me, if the insurance industry was able to compete for business like most other industries, and they were required to write a contract people could understand, and could be enforced, that would go a long way toward good affordable health insurance. If the governemtn wants to help, get out of the way of competition, and regulate what's important for them to regulate: how contracts are administered.

How about sell it like life insurance, if you get in while you're young and healthy, it's affordable; keep making your payments, and you stay covered and your carrier makes money.
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1. tort reform
2. be able to buy health insurance from any company in any state
3. make people buy their own health insurance instead of being paid for by the company you work for. That is, give the employee the after tax premium or a set amount and he buys what he needs.
I'm no expert but this would probably be a good start. It seems silly that you buy homeowners insurance, car insurance, life insurance, etc., as an individual but health insurance through your employer (and then have to change providers if you change jobs).
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The lawyers are more of a drain than an illegal alien. Just look at Peter Angelos etc.. We could support any illegal aliens if we didn't have to support the lawyers filing class action law suits.
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The Solyndra debacle is touted as the prime example.

But this was a Republican program.

Oops.
Creating the program may or may not have been a Republican thing, I don't have the energy to research that right now.

However, providing a $500 million dollar loan to prop up the company, then restructuring it so that the stockholder (note singular) was placed ahead of the taxpayers on the repayment list (in a 100% about face on the treatment of stock and bondholders in the Chrysler/GM bailouts) is Obamaloving Democrat freewheeling politics at it's best.

Guess you get the President you paid for.

Oops yourself.
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Health CARE doesn't need fixing, so much as health INSURANCE needs fixing. Medical professionals shouldn't have to play dodge the lawyer, and run tests/do treatments based solely on the fear of being sued.
This!
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Creating the program may or may not have been a Republican thing, I don't have the energy to research that right now.

However, providing a $500 million dollar loan to prop up the company, then restructuring it so that the stockholder (note singular) was placed ahead of the taxpayers on the repayment list (in a 100% about face on the treatment of stock and bondholders in the Chrysler/GM bailouts) is Obamaloving Democrat freewheeling politics at it's best.

Guess you get the President you paid for.

Oops yourself.
Oh, and Obonehead owned their stock; I guess that explains why he didn't want them to fail...too soon, anyway.
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As did I in this thread.
Sorry Phil, nobody else specifically blamed one party or the next. Immigration as a drain on society doesn't blame republicans or democrats for the problem, they're honestly both to blame.

I've waited over 4hours in an ER waiting room, our health care needs a major overhaul, and from my personal experience it's due to freeloaders, which tend to be illegals.l
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What constitutes a "Major drain?" I don't like them here and I don't want them here, but how much of an impact would NOT paying for illegals have?
Why don't you come to the county hospitals here in Houston and find out?

Oh, and brush up on your Spanish before you come.
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So the leftist line now is, "don't blame us, we stole the idea from Heritage (even though we constantly slam them)" and "if this POS is repealed, it means we should pass something even worse" ???



Good luck in November geniuses.
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Why don't you come to the county hospitals here in Houston and find out?

Oh, and brush up on your Spanish before you come.
Huh? WTF
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I acquire and pay for my insurance which covers myself and family. I ask nobody to provide to me.

With this in mind, do NOT ask me to provide it to others.

Clear?
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Good luck in November geniuses.
Hey Spence, make sure you coach this doofus mmmkay?
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Why don't you come to the county hospitals here in Houston and find out?
Serious? How is coming to your county hospital going to clear up how much money is spent on illegal's? Are all the illegals going to be walking around wearing a sandwich board with their current hospital bills on it.

Or maybe a cartoon bubble that keeps ratcheting up the numbers?

Furthermore, can you tell just by a cursory look: Yup, border jumper.

As for learning Spanish? Nah. This is America, I speak English.
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As did I in this thread.
No, you again just tried to throw up a smoke screen. Here are the facts:

The DOE loan program that funded Solyndra was actually started by President Bush in 2005. It was intended to provide government support for "innovative technologies."

But the Bush administration never approved Solyndra's loan, saying the application needed more work.

The [loan guarantee] program grew under the Obama administration, which ultimately awarded Solyndra’s loan guarantee under a new section of the law created by the stimulus package.
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