Trump is right...

[Craig]

Originally Posted by JRD77VET

We'll just have to agree to disagree as I don't see eye to eye with how I read your views.

So, you think I'm a troll for taking an unpopular view. Thanks.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Craig

I'd rather have the same ole...than a catastrophic failure; so far we've only had dismal disappointments.

Look at it this way. Schwarzenegger was an outsider, good business man, popular outsider...does anyone think he was good for California?

A very nice letter from Ahhhhnold to the legislature.



Now set your eyes upon the first letters on the left side of the paragraphs.

Now this is the kind of guy who gets it. The same ole, same ole will continue to fukk the people and the country. You can continue getting fukked but I'll vote for someone who gets it.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Craig

So, you think I'm a troll for taking an unpopular view. Thanks.

I don't see your position as trolling. Your points are no different than those made by Cruz' Texas supporters during his senate run. I actually voted Cruz in Texas' primary, and then voted Libertarian in the general. I get your support of Cruz. I just think Trump has a better chance of winning the general....because he will draw a much more disparate group than Cruz. And this go-round, I'll be backing a winner, for the first time in my voting career.

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by Craig

Mayor of a tiny resort town doesn't qualify him to be President either. And why would you think that, I'm the one shouting that you need to be more than a famous developer and a game show host to qualify as President.

You keep insisting that Trump is "not qualified" to be President, but these are actually only your requirements. According to the Constitution, the ONLY official requirements for President are as follows:

1) Must be a natural born United States citizen.

2) Must be at least 35 years of age.

3) Must have lived in the United States for 14 years.

If you're going to argue the point, try not to use obtuse statements like "he was a game show host." Ronald Reagan, who was an actor and graduated from a liberal arts college with a C average, is regarded as one of the greatest Presidents of the 20th century. And we both know that Trump didn't build a bunch of Section 8 housing units. He redeveloped a large part of Manhattan. You don't get to that point without understanding the value of making connections and negotiating effectively as well as having an excellent grasp of how business and politics functions. He's a Wharton Business School Graduate which puts him up with some of the finest business and financial minds in the country. He's worth about $40 Billion which means that his successes more than make up for his failures.

Simply put, the time has come for the President to have some fairly decent business savvy.

Trump is no less qualified than anyone else running and when you consider that this country is in a position where it can no longer afford a chief executive that can do little more than balance his own checkbook, he's more qualified than most. He's highly educated, phenomenally successful and by paying for his own campaign, he's not beholden to special interests. But rationalizing the fact that you don't like him as a candidate by implying that he's unqualified isn't really an effective argument.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

Until Barack Obama I was a big believer in lots of previous political experience. Obama has had tremendous success at getting things done during his two terms as president. He is proof that you don't need a lot of political experience to be an effective president.

Other than the "Affordable Healthcare" debacle, can you actually name anything that the President has done?

Just curious...

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Other than the "Affordable Healthcare" debacle, can you actually name anything that the President has done?

Just curious...

He has thusfar been able to protect Hillary, and the blm looters from prosecution, while simultaneously hooking up iran with $ billions and getting those Taliban commanders back to their families.

Oh, and he got Bin Ladin! You'll have to take his word for that one, though.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by chinaski

This shit is the WORST thing that has ever happened. Lowered Costs? For the love of GOD it penalizes people that don't have Health Insurance. Can't Afford It? Fuck you says the .Gov, we are gonna bend you over on your taxes with a damned penalty.

I have good Health Insurance so I have no real skin in the game right now, but if I lost my job, HOLY SHIT IT'S BAD.

But the sheeple? I guess they think they are getting a deal?

Idiots.

Dude, I'm the poster boy for what ObamaCare does to actual people who buy their own healthcare insurance. My wife and I pay nearly $800/month for the two of us. And that's for $8000 deductible for each of us. We aren't buying from the exchange as we don't get subsidies. Essentially we are forced to pay comprehensive health insurance rates for catastrophic coverage. We had catastrophic coverage prior to ObamaCare. It was less than $200/month for the two of us, and was actually better in that it wasn't an in-system-only plan. Now we can only go to one hospital here instead of choosing which one. And it really limits which doctors we can see and be covered. Like it matters anyway, because we don't see a nickle anyway unless one of us has some major issue arise.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Dude, I'm the poster boy for what ObamaCare does to actual people who buy their own healthcare insurance. My wife and I pay nearly $800/month for the two of us. And that's for $8000 deductible for each of us. We aren't buying from the exchange as we don't get subsidies. Essentially we are forced to pay comprehensive health insurance rates for catastrophic coverage. We had catastrophic coverage prior to ObamaCare. It was less than $200/month for the two of us, and was actually better in that it wasn't an in-system-only plan. Now we can only go to one hospital here instead of choosing which one. And it really limits which doctors we can see and be covered. Like it matters anyway, because we don't see a nickle anyway unless one of us has some major issue arise.

Except for the specific numbers, you just described my situation. I am now paying the Cadillac rate for Yugo coverage, whereas before, I was payin Yugo prices for Yugo service.

The SCOtUS got it right....o'Care is a big tax increase....nothing more.

[lspencer534]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Other than the "Affordable Healthcare" debacle, can you actually name anything that the President has done?

Just curious...

Here's a few:

Set back race relations about 100 years.

Created the largest deficet ever.

Lost all respect for the U.S. by other Countries.

Allowed massive immigration of illegal aliens.

Encouraged/condoned ISIS.

The number of Americans on welfare has hit record highs.

Gave guns to Mexican cartels.

Made gay/lesbian marriage legal.

Released 5 Taliban terrorists In exchange for deserter Bowe Bergdahl.

And there are so many more....

[Iron Chef]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Dude, I'm the poster boy for what ObamaCare does to actual people who buy their own healthcare insurance. My wife and I pay nearly $800/month for the two of us. And that's for $8000 deductible for each of us. We aren't buying from the exchange as we don't get subsidies. Essentially we are forced to pay comprehensive health insurance rates for catastrophic coverage. We had catastrophic coverage prior to ObamaCare. It was less than $200/month for the two of us, and was actually better in that it wasn't an in-system-only plan. Now we can only go to one hospital here instead of choosing which one. And it really limits which doctors we can see and be covered. Like it matters anyway, because we don't see a nickle anyway unless one of us has some major issue arise.

Same here. As a contractor, I always carried my own health insurance. Now, I pay $685 per month with a $6000 deductible. I had to switch insurers because Blue Cross of Texas decided they were no longer going to have PPO plans in Texas and my Doctor wasn't accepting their HMO's. Like you said...it's basically catastrophic coverage. Absurd.

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

Other than the "Affordable Healthcare" debacle, can you actually name anything that the President has done?

Just curious...

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

[Admiral Blue]

LOL x 2.

Dodd Frank

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Which was almost $1 trillion that went into the pockets of democrat-friendly places and didn't rebuild squat. It was entirely wasted if you weren't in on it.

Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

Yeah, that's worked just swimmingly. $4 trillion have been transferred to Wall Street in the form of quantitative easing. If you are a hedge fund manager, this is fantastic. If you are a taxpayer, er, not so much.

[Truck Guy]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009

Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Which was almost $1 trillion that went into the pockets of democrat-friendly places and didn't rebuild squat. It was entirely wasted if you weren't in on it.



Yeah, that's worked just swimmingly. $4 trillion have been transferred to Wall Street in the form of quantitative easing. If you are a hedge fund manager, this is fantastic. If you are a taxpayer, er, not so much.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Which was almost $1 trillion that went into the pockets of democrat-friendly places and didn't rebuild squat. It was entirely wasted if you weren't in on it.



Yeah, that's worked just swimmingly. $4 trillion have been transferred to Wall Street in the form of quantitative easing. If you are a hedge fund manager, this is fantastic. If you are a taxpayer, er, not so much.

[Cybercowboy]

Maybe the best reason yet to vote for Trump.

25% of Federal Workers would quit their impossible-to-fire Government Jobs if Trump is elected.

[lspencer534]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Maybe the best reason yet to vote for Trump.

25% of Federal Workers would quit their impossible-to-fire Government Jobs if Trump is elected.

"While one-quarter of the federal workforce might quit their jobs or retire if Trump were to lead the executive branch, a majority -- about six in 10 -- would be “embarrassed” to have him as their boss. About half of respondents said the same of Hillary Clinton, compared to 45 percent for Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and 37 percent for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. Just one in five said the same of Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla."

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by lspencer534

"While one-quarter of the federal workforce might quit their jobs or retire if Trump were to lead the executive branch, a majority -- about six in 10 -- would be “embarrassed” to have him as their boss. About half of respondents said the same of Hillary Clinton, compared to 45 percent for Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, and 37 percent for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. Just one in five said the same of Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla."

And we all know that not one of them will quit no matter what.

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by Admiral Blue

LOL x 2.

Dodd Frank

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Which was almost $1 trillion that went into the pockets of democrat-friendly places and didn't rebuild squat. It was entirely wasted if you weren't in on it.



Yeah, that's worked just swimmingly. $4 trillion have been transferred to Wall Street in the form of quantitative easing. If you are a hedge fund manager, this is fantastic. If you are a taxpayer, er, not so much.

From the way you wrote this, I am led to believe that you think I am hyping up those accomplishments. I am not.

Originally Posted by Truck Guy

What's your question? You asked me to name an Obama accomplishment besides the ACA and I named two.

Originally Posted by Fasglas

Might as well get in on the action and jump my shit too.


Please, all of you, go back and reread (or read...) what I wrote. I never said these were great things that Obama has done, but like it or not, he has been successful in most of what he has wanted to accomplish.

Once again, to make it plain, I don't like any of it.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

From the way you wrote this, I am led to believe that you think I am hyping up those accomplishments. I am not.


What's your question? You asked me to name an Obama accomplishment besides the ACA and I named two.



Might as well get in on the action and jump my shit too.


Please, all of you, go back and reread (or read...) what I wrote. I never said these were great things that Obama has done, but like it or not, he has been successful in most of what he has wanted to accomplish.

Once again, to make it plain, I don't like any of it.

Not jumping on you at all, I understood that you were being sarcastic. I just had to type up my disdain for those two things because it's almost a visceral reaction.