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02-28-2024, 9:28am | #141 | |||||||
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My wife's car is a newer Explorer Sport with the twin turbo engine. It does pretty well in straight line acceleration, but even at legal speeds there's a massive difference in curves between it and my C7. And the Explorer (a real SUV, unlike the Tesla) can pull more than 0.86 g's in a corner with no problem. |
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Same is true at a much lower level for nonperformance cars.
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Glad I finally clicked on this thread. The Cybertruck is trash and it’s comical to compare it to a Raptor or TRX
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You look at a number on a spec sheet that is a test done under controlled conditions. You somehow completely fail to understand that it is more complex than that. Saying that 2 cars that both see .86g on the skid pad handle the same is ... simply wrong. That is an absurdly simple minded view. You're right about 1 thing. You will never see .86 sustained because it's not going to get there unless it is perfect conditions on a perfect surface. What you would likely see if you looked at data are numbers higher than .86. Why is that? Because outside of a skidpad, there are peaks and valleys. A bump in a corner could easily spike a peak number well beyond what you would see on a skidpad. An uneven surface would certainly see areas of a plot greater than peak skidpad. With that said, I'll back up a bit ask a very simple question. Do you actually know what a skidpad measures? For bonus points, can you explain why that isn't 1:1 applicable to anything in the real world? I'm guessing that without a google search, the answer is no. I have set up race cars (and karts) for decades. I've set them up to go in circles. I've set them up to go on road courses, to drive down the street. I currently set up karts for both my own kid as well as others (because I know what I'm doing) to go race in some of the biggest races in the country. I can absolutely guarantee you that outside of a sales pitch (aimed at people like you), a skidpad doesn't tell you much at all. It says what happens in a constant radius turn on a perfectly flat surface under ideal conditions. That represents about 1% of what happens in reality. On that same note, if you think that it's repeatable, you are again clueless. Go to a skidpad on a 60 degree day with 80% humidity and again when it's 85 degrees and a dry day and your numbers will be drastically different. Using them as you do as the be-all end-all measure of handling is ignorant. High speed corners are different than low speed. Bumpy is different than smooth. A few degrees of temperature or humidity makes a huge difference. Tire compound changes everything again. Sometimes, and I know this is going to be a tough one for you, you can actually have too much grip which decreases slip angle and hurts the ability to rotate through a corner. In which case, yes, you want to actually lower the lateral acceleration to go faster. There are many many times where max lateral G doesn't equal a better lap time, entry speed, exit speed, feel, stability, or anything else. Yea, I don't expect you to even begin to understand that one. And you don't have to. Most people don't... but most people also understand that they don't. You on the other hand, not so much. You continue to argue things that you know nothing about. Are you really so simple minded that you think somehow all aspects of handling are captured in a single skidpad test? Do you really believe that you can compare skidpad tests from different days, in different conditions, on different pavement and somehow declare that 1 is better than another? We get it. You don't care about handling. That's great... but for the love of god, try to get it through your head that "performance", be it handling or any other aspect is much more complex than a couple of numbers on a spec sheet. |
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Ooh ooh...and bump steer...and neutral steer...are those ones too? LOL! This Tesla plant is boring.
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I designed and fabricated a new linked coilover suspension for my '69 Bronco when we lived in CO. I had to learn a whole lot about that stuff to get it set up right. I even had to cut the knuckles off the D60 front axle and rotate them a few degrees to get the correct caster so it would be drivable.
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I never cornered at criminal speeds, so, I didn't see a difference when driving corners at legal speeds. It's not like I didn't have cars with performance suspension. I just never tested it at criminal speeds. There is no way that even at 10 mph over the limit, you can feel the benefits of a sport suspension. As I said, I had many Vettes.. The difference I could notice is that it was less comfortable at the highway. Speed limits are set so that even the worst handling cars can drive safe at that speed. |
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30 mph over the speed limit is a misdemeanor. 1-29 mph over the speed limit is a fine only. |
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You really are clueless about anything other than acceleration in a straight line. |
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If you are so oblivious that you can't tell the difference between the handling of a Corvette, Ferrari, an SUV, or whatever without being at "the limit" there is absolutely nothing left to say. I've explained it multiple times. I refuse to believe that you are actually serious. Even my wife came home the other day and said something was different in the Audi. It didn't drive as well. The difference? It was set to "comfort" instead of "sport". My wife can figure it out in a car that she rarely drives on a trip to the grocery store when she's not even trying. Hell, my 7 year old kid can not only feel differences in handling during test sessions without ever being close to the limit in his karts but also communicate what those differences are. I went too far and dialed too much caster into a kart last season. He came in after the out lap, after 1 50% lap, and said it was rotating too quickly on entry. He was right. That was nowhere even in the vicinity of "the limit". That wasn't even in the realm of maximum lateral acceleration and he could feel the difference in handling. Now I'm going to say it again... he's 7. You don't have to be at "the limit". I don't know how many times that needs to be said before you manage to understand it. Or, option B, you could just say that he difference is "bumpy". Holy shit. Quote:
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As usual, thanks for the laugh. It's actually fairly incredible to see someone continuously speak with such confidence about a subject about which they are so hopelessly ignorant. |
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I said your dense brain would explode if anybody ever tried to explain it to you. Speaking of canines, my dog has a better chance of learning advanced differential equations than you do of understanding even the most basic concepts of suspension and handling. |
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