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Old 06-28-2012, 5:02pm   #101
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Can someone explain how this gets paid for?
The same way liberals think they can pay for everything...

Other people's money.

When that doesn't work, the answer is sunshine, rainbows, and unicorn farts.
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unicorn farts.
The beauty of the Unicorn fart is no smell!
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Old 06-28-2012, 6:24pm   #103
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I wanted it struck down so that they could go to a single payer system by expanding medicaid/medicare for everyone.

What they did however, was good for now.
Since you are so in favor of the Single payer system and believe everyone deserves health care as a right I assume you are for teaching creationism in school.

Liberal Hypocrisy. Darwinism is what made Mankind what it is today but they want to prevent it in the world now.
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The beauty of the Unicorn fart is no smell!
ONLY to those behind the ass end of a mule/horse/cow/camel to plow the fields....

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The bigger story here is suddenly at 10:00am yesterday morning, everyone became a constitutional law expert.
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The bigger story here is suddenly at 10:00am yesterday morning, everyone became a constitutional law expert.
You've made it clear that politics bore you. So why troll this thread? Didn't I hear you crying like a two year old to get it moved here from OT?

You claim you're not a liberal but your actions betray you. Think you're fooling anybody?
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You've made it clear that politics bore you. So why troll this thread? Didn't I hear you crying like a two year old to get it moved here from OT?

You claim you're not a liberal but your actions betray you. Think you're fooling anybody?
Boo-Hoo.
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And where did I say I wasnt a Liberal? I have admitted to having some Liberal views. Not a lot of them, but more than many here.

Get your facts straight Rambo before you point your cap gun in my direction.
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So why don't you put up the negatives.

Where to begin. There are so many, it it hard to organize.
  • 1st and foremost, this sets the precident for the federal government to be able to impose a "tax" as a penalty for absolutely anything that they deem to be inappropriate behavior. No insurance? Tax. Don't drive a Prius? Tax. Don't eat 3 servings of vegetables a day? Tax. It is a huge overstep of federal power. Period. Of course people like you who are incapable of thinking for yourself see it as a good thing.
  • It is a massive intrusion on state rights. This is the UNITED STATES. As in... the STATES' matter. This is also the reason that your "Romneycare" argument is so stupid. The difference between a state program and a federal program is night and day. There is no point in going into any more detail on this one. The chance of a liberal actually comprehending this is zero.
  • Next come the employer mandates. Employers are required to offer health plans to all employees who work more than 30 hours per week, or pay a $2,000 per employee penalty to the government. We already have companies who cannot afford to hire new employees so what is the solution? Clearly, make them pay even more. Be prepared to either see the price of pretty much every single product in this country go up or see the companies fail even more than they already are. A full healthcare package for flipping burgers? Brilliant. What's funny is that the studies done show that most companies will come out far ahead by simply paying the fine. Yep. Brilliant plan.
  • Higher insurance premiums for all of us. Look at any study done since the beginning of this dumbass argument. They all say the same thing. Healthcare prices go up. Most studies show increases of 8%-12% annually. Most also agree that the quality of care will go down. Paying more for worse care. Yay socialism!!
  • Seniors will be the ones really hit hard by this law. Medicare benefits are reduced by over $500 billion. This dumbass law was passed under the guise of wanting to help everybody but in reality, it takes care and money from those who actually need it and have paid into it and gives it to the useless leeches that sit on their asses and do nothing. People like joecooool seem to be all for this. Screw what happens in reality, ideals are all that matter. If you can give money to the lazy pieces of crap who contribute zero, even better! Wealth distribution FTW!!
  • How about adding anywhere between $10-$20 trillion in unfunded long term obligations to our already ridiculous economy and most estimates give somewhere now in the $2.5 trillion range in unfunded obligations in the first 10 years alone. How is it that liberals somehow lack the comprehension that most 6 year olds have in that you can't buy what you can't pay for??
  • The grand finale? How about the largest tax legislation in the history of the United States. In addition to the mandate "tax" there are also 20+ other taxes included in this bill, most of which fall squarely on the shoulders of the average, healthy, hard working American.


There are more but honestly, I don't feel like wasting my time. The chance of any of the supporters of this crap actually having the brain power to comprehend any of it is zero.

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Please stick to facts though, not what you have been told will happen by right wing shills.
A liberal who believes solely in what moron bloggers say telling someone else to stick to facts... now that's some funny shit.



By all means, feel free to let us know when you come up with an opinion of your own rather than just a copy/paste from some libtard blog.
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Old 06-29-2012, 9:32am   #112
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I can't wait to see Romney campaign on repealing this bill when the legislation was based on his program to begin with.
You don't understand the difference between state and federal government, do you?
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Old 06-29-2012, 9:58am   #113
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Where to begin. There are so many, it it hard to organize.
  • 1st and foremost, this sets the precident for the federal government to be able to impose a "tax" as a penalty for absolutely anything that they deem to be inappropriate behavior. No insurance? Tax. Don't drive a Prius? Tax. Don't eat 3 servings of vegetables a day? Tax. It is a huge overstep of federal power. Period. Of course people like you who are incapable of thinking for yourself see it as a good thing.
  • Nonsense. The ruling by the Supreme Court was limited to the health care bill. Roberts called it a tax, and the Constitution has always allowed congress to pass laws regarding taxes. Nothing changeed with the ruling.

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  • It is a massive intrusion on state rights. This is the UNITED STATES. As in... the STATES' matter. This is also the reason that your "Romneycare" argument is so stupid. The difference between a state program and a federal program is night and day. There is no point in going into any more detail on this one. The chance of a liberal actually comprehending this is zero.
  • Nonsense. If you comprehended the law you would know you are standing here with your dick in your hand.

    If you claim this is a violation of states rights, then what about conditions on federal aid to education, such as No Child Left Behind?

    Protections for persons with disabilities?

    Guarantees against racial, ethnic, gender, age, religious, and other forms of discrimination by state and local recipients of federal funds?

    Guarantees of access to campus facilities for military recruiters?

    Had the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the states, that would have brought into question every agreement between the feds and the states where the federal government mandates 100 percent of the federal funds on states meeting requirements that are determined by the feds.

    Not only that, the jusices were astute enough to go through the bill, and their ruling weakened the law’s Medicaid provisions in the name of states’ rights.

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  • Next come the employer mandates. Employers are required to offer health plans to all employees who work more than 30 hours per week, or pay a $2,000 per employee penalty to the government. We already have companies who cannot afford to hire new employees so what is the solution? Clearly, make them pay even more. Be prepared to either see the price of pretty much every single product in this country go up or see the companies fail even more than they already are. A full healthcare package for flipping burgers? Brilliant. What's funny is that the studies done show that most companies will come out far ahead by simply paying the fine. Yep. Brilliant plan.
  • This is the really halarious part of your "argument" In fact its so stupid I'll put the reply in bold.

    The vast majority of all employers directly affected by this bill already offer insurance to their employees because its the only way to get quality people. Prices for goods and services will not be affected because almost all companies are already paying for these services. In fact, small businesses will get a tax credit actually lowering their cost to insure their employees. Thats why so many small businesses fought for this bill.

    The only companies that may suffer are the scumbags that hired cheap labor, never offered insurance and relied on the government picking up the tab when their employees got sick or injured.
    Screw them. I'm happy they will now be forced to pick up the tab.

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  • Higher insurance premiums for all of us. Look at any study done since the beginning of this dumbass argument. They all say the same thing. Healthcare prices go up. Most studies show increases of 8%-12% annually. Most also agree that the quality of care will go down. Paying more for worse care. Yay socialism!!
  • Studies done by who? People with a vested interest in shooting down the bill?

    Yup.

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  • Seniors will be the ones really hit hard by this law. Medicare benefits are reduced by over $500 billion. This dumbass law was passed under the guise of wanting to help everybody but in reality, it takes care and money from those who actually need it and have paid into it and gives it to the useless leeches that sit on their asses and do nothing. People like joecooool seem to be all for this. Screw what happens in reality, ideals are all that matter. If you can give money to the lazy pieces of crap who contribute zero, even better! Wealth distribution FTW!!
  • Horseshit. The "leeches" as you refer to them already have health care provided for under medicaid.

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  • How about adding anywhere between $10-$20 trillion in unfunded long term obligations to our already ridiculous economy and most estimates give somewhere now in the $2.5 trillion range in unfunded obligations in the first 10 years alone. How is it that liberals somehow lack the comprehension that most 6 year olds have in that you can't buy what you can't pay for??
  • A number pulled from your ass. I asked for facts, not bullshit.

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  • The grand finale? How about the largest tax legislation in the history of the United States. In addition to the mandate "tax" there are also 20+ other taxes included in this bill, most of which fall squarely on the shoulders of the average, healthy, hard working American.
  • List them and show how MOST fall on the shoulders of "average" americans.
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Just... wow.

I could spend the time to reply to each and every one of your dumbass comments, but to what end? You will still believe the stupid shit that you read on libtard blogs because you would rather live in a dream world than accept reality and I will still be shaking my head wondering how so many people could be so clueless.

Either way, it really just isn't worth it. I have better things to do than argue with ignorance on the internet. ... like working my ass off so people like you can use that money to pay for those who sit on their lazy asses all day.

Orwell was right. Ignorance is bliss.
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Hope, change really means, "hope you get some change back."
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I dont think you understand. i am tired of paying for the "poor" in America. Cell phones, cable, internet, housing, food, health care, cars, schools, privileges, SS all there damn life, welfare for their 10 kids etc and the list goes on. Our "POOR" are not poor, they are generally lazy. There is more to health care than paying for it. Its the cost that the government has caused due to regulations.

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Joecool- Our law is based on the US Constitution and precedence. Precedence has now been set for a penalty to be called a tax. Slippery slope we are on.
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