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[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by snide

Leave your liberal policies in CA.

And bring them to your Liberal policies in PA?

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Cool 50th AE

Going to my Meemaw’s house tomorrow.

Not gonna wear a mask.
She has about 2 mil in her will.

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I have no doubt that I am the one that gave it to may parents. I can assure you that didn't happen because of any lack of Covid protocols. No one wears a mask at home when no one in the house is sick.

Then again, there may be a couple here that do.

I know 100% if I get it, will be from my Hubs or grandaughter.


Protocols followed to incredibly strict level other than home.


Know my step son got it at work, but he is a confessed terrible handwasher and constantly has his hand all over his face (was a nail chewer). Mask doesn't help much if you are not washing hands and constantly touching mask, but we have discussed this.


My hands get washed or hand sanitized if I touch anything outside of my space I know is clean. Why they look like lizard skin right now.


Will wash my hands nearly 100 times at work today/ before and after every patient.

[Steve_R]

As of today:

Sweden:

7,100 deaths, 10.3 million people, 0.07% chance of death. No lockdowns, schools and businesses open, cost $0.

United States:

282k deaths, 331 million people, 0.08% chance of death. Draconian lockdowns, thousands of small businesses destroyed, cost $17 Trillion and rising.

Now, WTF are the lockdowns, masks and $17 Trillion getting us?

[Nox]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

As of today:

Sweden:

7,100 deaths, 10.3 million people, 0.07% chance of death. No lockdowns, schools and businesses open, cost $0.

United States:

282k deaths, 331 million people, 0.08% chance of death. Draconian lockdowns, thousands of small businesses destroyed, cost $17 Trillion and rising.

Now, WTF are the lockdowns, masks and $17 Trillion getting us?

Actually, Sweden just announced restrictions.

https://nypost.com/2020/12/06/sweden...s-cases-surge/

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

As of today:

Sweden:

7,100 deaths, 10.3 million people, 0.07% chance of death. No lockdowns, schools and businesses open, cost $0.

United States:

282k deaths, 331 million people, 0.08% chance of death. Draconian lockdowns, thousands of small businesses destroyed, cost $17 Trillion and rising.

Now, WTF are the lockdowns, masks and $17 Trillion getting us?

Satisfied feelings.

[Nox]

Originally Posted by z06psi

Satisfied feelings.

Sweden’s death tally has climbed above 7,000, while comparatively-sized neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway have reported 885, 415 and 354 fatalities respectively, data shows.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

As of today:

Sweden:

7,100 deaths, 10.3 million people, 0.07% chance of death. No lockdowns, schools and businesses open, cost $0.

United States:

282k deaths, 331 million people, 0.08% chance of death. Draconian lockdowns, thousands of small businesses destroyed, cost $17 Trillion and rising.

Now, WTF are the lockdowns, masks and $17 Trillion getting us?

Perhaps people of Sweden aren't fukin retards and have even tried spreading it on purpose like some did here.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Nox

Sweden’s death tally has climbed above 7,000, while comparatively-sized neighbors Denmark, Finland and Norway have reported 885, 415 and 354 fatalities respectively, data shows.

All three of those countries have about half the population of Sweden. Perspective matters. I don't have the time or inclination right now to look up the cost to each of their economies to see how much they've spent. The cost to the U.S. is over $17 Trillion and still rising fast.

We will never get the risk to zero, regardless of how much we spend, although it seems like many people think it's possible and we should mortgage our grandchildren's future to try.

[Rodnok1]

Ok Steeb what about the number of infections that have one put people out of work for weeks or two put in hospitals for weeks if not months. What about those experiencing long term effects... Oh wait they're all old fuk em probably just get sick and die anyway. Nevermind.
What are we willing to spend to not only protect people from dieing but getting sick. Do we account for those who survive yet have a lifetime of medical bills in your stats? Exactly how many saved from getting sick or death is worth exactly what? Yes everything has a dollar amount attached.
Will insurance companies cover covid related stuff for those who survive? What cost will say another 2 million sick get us in the long run for insurance. Bet it exceeds long term easily what we've spent to prevent it. I bet insurance coverage goes up again(thanks Obama for the 125% increase already).
Covid overtook heart disease as number one killer this year (yes we know the numbers are inflated so lets say tied or a close second then).

Personally i think so few took this seriously before now, it has spread and we're at a tipping point. I'll reiterate I don't want the kung flu even if I survive, nor do I want the other strains of flu or the squirts from taco hell.

[Steve_R]

Rod, the link has been posted here before so I won't search for it, but the U.S. military has published a study that concludes that a military-enforced lockdown and mask wearing doesn't stop the virus. Given that, what makes anybody think having people wear something - anything - on their face while they're out and about will stop it, or that lockdowns will stop it?

Edit, here's the study if anybody cares.

Even a Military-Enforced Quarantine Can’t Stop the Virus, Study Reveals

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Rod, the link has been posted here before so I won't search for it, but the U.S. military has published a study that concludes that a military-enforced lockdown and mask wearing doesn't stop the virus. Given that, what makes anybody think having people wear something - anything - on their face while they're out and about will stop it, or that lockdowns will stop it?

Never said we should lock everything down...
You keep throwing costs out so i asked what is an acceptable number.
Mask mandates should be introduced but only with appropriate masks. And yes people are fukin stupid thinking they're 100% safe with a rag on their face. That's the issue, stupid people.

Funny how the number of cases and deaths went sky high again after restrictions were lifted here.. So maybe they did help. Fix all... Definitely not and they should have been handled differently. Some things shutdown were stupid while other left open shouldn't have been that's for sure. A path should have been established for all to reopen by now(safely).

If we do nothing what cost production does it relate to, we're lucky so many worked from home or this would have been alot worse already because people are stupid and would goto work sick.

How many here already have lost time at work and productivity? If we didn't spend money keeping them going what cost would have it meant instead to the economy.
We as a country spend billions on stupid shit so why not billions on something that could save lives and suffering?

[Steve_R]

Rod, I suspect the $17,000,000,000,000 (that's $17 trillion) we've already spent as a country pales in comparison to the cost of lost productivity from people calling in sick, but any calculation like that is a wild-ass guess at best.

Next will be government-forced vaccination. It's coming.

[Nox]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Never said we should lock everything down...
You keep throwing costs out so i asked what is an acceptable number.
Mask mandates should be introduced but only with appropriate masks. And yes people are fukin stupid thinking they're 100% safe with a rag on their face. That's the issue, stupid people.

Funny how the number of cases and deaths went sky high again after restrictions were lifted here.. So maybe they did help. Fix all... Definitely not and they should have been handled differently. Some things shutdown were stupid while other left open shouldn't have been that's for sure. A path should have been established for all to reopen by now(safely).

If we do nothing what cost production does it relate to, we're lucky so many worked from home or this would have been alot worse already because people are stupid and would goto work sick.

How many here already have lost time at work and productivity? If we didn't spend money keeping them going what cost would have it meant instead to the economy.
We as a country spend billions on stupid shit so why not billions on something that could save lives and suffering?

The more I learn, the more I am convinced that there is little rhyme or reason here. I was diagnosed mid November and just cleared today to return to work later this week. My symptoms were considered *mild* requiring no hospitalization. That being said, I just learned that a co-worker who was healthy and working before I got sick, caught Covid-19 during my absence and passed away. His health wasn’t bad, and he was younger than me.

People are going to get Covid or not, regardless of what we do. People are going to live or die, regardless of what we do.

When it’s your time, it’s your time.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Ok Steeb what about the number of infections that have one put people out of work for weeks or two put in hospitals for weeks if not months. What about those experiencing long term effects... Oh wait they're all old fuk em probably just get sick and die anyway. Nevermind.
What are we willing to spend to not only protect people from dieing but getting sick. Do we account for those who survive yet have a lifetime of medical bills in your stats? Exactly how many saved from getting sick or death is worth exactly what? Yes everything has a dollar amount attached.
Will insurance companies cover covid related stuff for those who survive? What cost will say another 2 million sick get us in the long run for insurance. Bet it exceeds long term easily what we've spent to prevent it. I bet insurance coverage goes up again(thanks Obama for the 125% increase already).
Covid overtook heart disease as number one killer this year (yes we know the numbers are inflated so lets say tied or a close second then).

Personally i think so few took this seriously before now, it has spread and we're at a tipping point. I'll reiterate I don't want the kung flu even if I survive, nor do I want the other strains of flu or the squirts from taco hell.

Absolutely NONE of this matters when the measures taken are repeatedly shown to be ineffective. You can lock down the whole freaking country and put everyone under house arrest and forbid exiting the home and we will ALL die...not some...ALL. EVERY person in this country, if not allowed to leave home...WILL DIE. So, much like war, you calculate the deaths, apply the number to the mission at hand, and decide whether you march forward. Using the war analogy, we are defending the country with cap guns and fireworks and hoping it looks good on the news with all the bangs and pops going off.

We are losing the battle and passing out more caps and fireworks.

NO ONE in politics actually gives two shits about really saving lives. What they DO care about, is providing the appearance of caring. That's all that matters. Make it look like it matters when it doesn't. FAR more lives could be saved by taking other measures and solving other problems, but this one is "the soup of the day" and you never let a crisis go to waste. Look at all that has been accomplished just by scaring the shit out of everyone.

[dvarapala]

@Raazor @Steve_R @aerovette

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

@Raazor @Steve_R @aerovette

cliffs?

[Murray]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

All three of those countries have about half the population of Sweden. Perspective matters.

It does, look into it. One of those countries you dismissed has 1/20 of the deaths Sweden does and that’s because it’s half the population?

What better comparison can there be other than its neighbors?

Sweden’s answer isn’t working and there will be changes soon

[Raazor]

Montana %-wise is among the worst. Everything is wide open and outside of masks, nobody talks about it and is sick of hearing it in the media. It will run its course through mankind.

[Mick]

Originally Posted by Nox

The more I learn, the more I am convinced that there is little rhyme or reason here. I was diagnosed mid November and just cleared today to return to work later this week. My symptoms were considered *mild* requiring no hospitalization. That being said, I just learned that a co-worker who was healthy and working before I got sick, caught Covid-19 during my absence and passed away. His health wasn’t bad, and he was younger than me.

People are going to get Covid or not, regardless of what we do. People are going to live or die, regardless of what we do.

When it’s your time, it’s your time.

I agree with the bolded.

The common wisdom regarding the avoidance of seasonal flus, which can and occasionally do kill young healthy people, hasn't changed in centuries. Basically, wash your hands a lot, avoid unnecessary contact during flu season, older and those with compromised immune and/or pulmonary capacity should consider sequestering as much as possible, and FOR GOD'S SAKES, if you are sick, STAY HOME!!!!

My FIL is a retired Doc, and says that at this point, in any significantly populated area, the COVID is in the air we all breathe. That's how viruses work. Wearing a bandana over your face will do NOTHING to stop that airborne virus from entering your lungs when you breathe. For the most part, the viral load from such contact is sufficiently low that healthy people with strong immune systems cannot be infected by that load level, and need not worry about it. There is a tiny percentage of the "unlucky" who for whatever reasons, can contract the disease from even that tiny viral load. The government, your bandana, your bottle of hand sanitizer, and any other hocus pocus you have convinced yourself is effective, are useless to those unlucky few.