We know that Zimmerman called him a "F*cking *oon"

[Blademaker]

Originally Posted by Thrakk

Mr monk,

With all due respect, you have zero idea what you are talking about. You NEVER draw a weapon unless your life is in immenent danger. And if your life is in danger, you pull the gun and shoot to kill.

If the gun comes out, someone is getting shot. Those of us who are properly trained know this. We are also trained to avoid situations where this scenario is likely. However, if it happens, it is better to be judged by 12 than to be buried by 6.

[HeatherO]

Originally Posted by themonk

He's 250 lbs, Martin was 140 soaking wet, there were no weapons found anywhere near Martin, where is it justified to use lethal force? The guy had 110 lbs on the kid who didn't have any form of combat/martial arts training, are you saying that Zimmerman got his ass handed to him by a 18 yo skinny kid and was in fear of his life?

I 'heard' Zimmerman weighs around 180...and that Martin weighed a little less, but had some height on Zimmerman

I love how the media displayed a pic of a cute little boy, and a pic of Zimmerman that was about 10 yrs old

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by themonk

I don't understand how you seem to think that this 140lb kid could over take a 250lb man, I really fail to see that.



With all due respect to you too sir, please read my above statement.

First of all, I doubt he was only 140lbs. Second of all he is at least 4" taller..a whole lot younger and far faster..it's VERY believable he jumped Zimmerman and took him down.

Shit Joe Buck took me down last summer even though I out weighed him by a significant amount.

But even if on paper Zimmerman coud have kicked his ass...HE doesn't HAVE to fight knuckle to knuckle he's more than allowed to defend himself.......which he did with ONE shot.

[kylebuck]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

First of all, I doubt he was only 140lbs. Second of all he is at least 4" taller..a whole lot younger and far faster..it's VERY believable he jumped Zimmerman and took him down.

Shit Joe Buck took me down last summer even though I out weighed him by a significant amount.

But even if on paper Zimmerman coud have kicked his ass...HE doesn't HAVE to fight knuckle to knuckle he's more than allowed to defend himself.......which he did with ONE shot.

fighting is for kids, old people shoot you.

[Kevin_73]

Originally Posted by joebuck

fighting is for kids, old people shoot you.

You should remember that at barn raising.

[Grey Ghost]

I hate the mainstream media with their selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings, etc...They act like the judge, jury, and executioner with their coverage. What ever happened to just reporting the news ?

Originally Posted by HeatherO

I love how the media displayed a pic of a cute little boy, and a pic of Zimmerman that was about 10 yrs old

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by Grey Ghost

I hate the mainstream media with their selective editing, rushing to judgment, stoking anger for ratings, etc...They act like the judge, jury, and executioner with their coverage. What ever happened to just reporting the news ?

Apparently that doesn't get you ratings anymore.

[Olustee bus]

If you shot and killed an unarmed kid, would you be willing to scrape your head on the sidewalk or even break your own nose for an alibi? I would!

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

On a side note... I saw this today from the Orlando Sentinel.

Look at the pictures. If he is 5'9 there is no way he weighs 250lbs.



Of course it sounds a whole lot better if ignore things like facts.

Originally Posted by themonk

I don't understand how you seem to think that this 140lb kid could over take a 250lb man, I really fail to see that.

Why are you so stuck on this? Why do you keep making it sound like Trayvon was some poor, helpless kid and Zimmerman is a huge menacing giant of a man? No matter how you spin it, Trayvon Martin was an in shape 17 year old. He wasn't a helpless, frail little kid.

Look at the picture of Zimmerman. He is 5'9. That much is known for fact. With that in mind, does that look like a 250lb man to you?

I think not.

[Mike Mercury]

JC; if it were me, I'd call the cult and say "I want my dues back".

Why do you keep making it sound like Trayvon was some poor, helpless kid

maybe because the facts don't fit the belief system ?

you might not hear these over the main media outlets; but they are 100% factual. I encourage you to check the validity for yourself.

Trayvon has been suspended from school more than once for:
*truancy
*being caught with a marijuana pipe
*being caught with burglary tools
*and in possession of womens jewelry that didn't belong to him. Trayvon was on suspension the day he got killed.

Trayvon is 6'1" tall. (some media reports show him at 6' even... all the way to 6'3")

older pic that the media is sure to make certain you see:


most are the two most recent pics of Trayvon - that the media (for some reason?) keeps skipping over:




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[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/621937-post9.html

(if it were me; I'd call the cult and say "I want my dues back)



maybe because the facts don't fit the belief system ?

you might not hear these over the main media outlets; but they are 100% factual. I encourage you to check the validity for yourself.

Trayvon has been suspended from school more than once for:
*truancy
*being caught with a marijuana pipe
*being caught with burglary tools
*and in possession of womens jewelry that didn't belong to him. Trayvon was on suspension the day he got killed.

Trayvon is 6'1" tall. (some media reports show him at 6' even... all the way to 6'3")

older pic that the media is sure to make certain you see:


most recent pic of Trayvon - that the media (for some reason?) keeps skipping over:

The thing about this case is it seems to so clearly prove a bias within the media. While yes the bias is almost always prevalent this seems to be one of the most blatant cases in a long time, and yet not a single news outlet has apologized for it, only admitted an 'error'.

More so than the killing of Treyvon, I think the biggest outrage is the media coverage that has followed. I'd really like to see some of these big media companies slapped with some major lawsuits.

[OddBall]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

The thing about this case is it seems to so clearly prove a bias within the media. While yes the bias is almost always prevalent this seems to be one of the most blatant cases in a long time, and yet not a single news outlet has apologized for it, only admitted an 'error'.

More so than the killing of Treyvon, I think the biggest outrage is the media coverage that has followed. I'd really like to see some of these big media companies slapped with some major lawsuits.

Seriously. Standard issue yellow journalism.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by onedef92

It's damn hard to know the "facts" as they seem to change daily.

Reckon this'll be the new trial of the century?

More like a circus.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by themonk

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

In most cases, it's illegal for a CCW holder to announce they have a weapon or show unless they intend to use it. Immediately after stopping the threat (submission or death), it's in the cCW holder's best interest to call the police and be on record doing so.

I carry and don't show my Handle. Certain people int he community know I carry, but none ever see it and that's the way it's supposed to be. only an idiot announces he has a weapon so that his adversary has time to think about what's going on and possibly respond the same way.

[Scissors]

Originally Posted by themonk

Or to possibly avoid a deadly confrontation you announce that you have a gun and or point the gun at the victim at which point you still feel your life is in danger you use deadly force (at least that's how it should've went down in this case). Dude just wanted to kill someone plain and simple, nothing more nothing less, he was playing "cop" and found the first excuse he could to off another human being.

1. Know subject before weighing in on it
2. ???
3. Profit

[Scissors]

Hey, Monk:

156 pounds:


250 pounds:


Who's going to win a fist fight?

[themonk]

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year.

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.



Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.

[Scissors]

Originally Posted by themonk

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

So your false assertion that you can read others' minds is proof of your other assertion that racism is "alive and strong"? Is that what we are to take away from this?

Please, point out a single similar situation where I have "screamed bloody murder". What about the case where the white Seattle police officer shot the black homeless guy for having a pocket knife? Who did I blame? Hint: not the black guy.

[Scissors]

By the way, shooting someone for no reason is always wrong, unless they are a bitch and the bullet penetrates the face.

Shooting someone for attacking you when you are in fear for your life is always right.

[Stangkiller]

Originally Posted by themonk

All I know is all you whiteys would be screaming bloody murder if the situation was reversed. This just shows that racism is alive and strong and two faces like those of you who believe the killing was justified are no better the the lynchmen running around back in the 50's.

This would be such a non issue if it was black killing a black or a white killing a white and if y'all think any different you're lying to yourselves. There wasn't even this much controversy in here when whatshertits got off scott free from murdering her own daughter last year.

Here's the facts.

Wannabe cop patrolling neighborhood
Call goes into 911
Dispatcher says "back off and let the police handle it"
Dead boy

WTF didn't douchebag follow instructions, why was there a confrontation?

All you armchair know nothing know it all's answer me those two questions I asked without getting off topic and I'll admit that I was wrong in my views on what happend.



Am I pissed off, yeah, damn rights I'm pissed off and not because of the color of the two people in question but because justice in this case will never be served.

So because you don't understand basic gun ownership and handling fundamentals, that somehow makes the rest of us on this forum Racists? If Treyvon wasn't black and was hispanic just like Zimmerman, this would have been an open and shut case of self defense (as it was originally labeled after the first investigation).

You also seem to miss the part where the police told Zimmerman to back of AND HE DID. BUT WAS JUMPED AT HIS TRUCK. AFTER FOLLOWING POLICE INSTRUCTION AND BACKING OFF. But that fact is convenient to leave off in order to rationalize your position on this case.

You mean this reversed situation?
https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/p...d-florida.html

You say Justice will never be served...but what about Justice for Zimmerman? He's been determined to be self defense once already. Oh wait you're not willing to admit this very well may have been a justifiable shooting.