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how much value would you put on the opinion of someone who...
was an Athiest, but considered himself an expert on religion
was a pacifist, but yet a war profiteer a communist, yet owns a business and profits very well from it ???? |
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Regardless of what you think of him, there is unfortunately thousands if not millions who think just like him and whos votes cancel yours out...perhaps it's best we try to understand where they're coming from.
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Perhaps his opinion on religion was formed after eight years of Catholic school and about a decade as an alter boy. He might just have picked up a thing or two about religion during that time. As to being a pacifist, you do realize you are talking about someone who has fully supported the war in Afghanistan since day one. There is a difference between being a pacifist and and being one of those flag waving baffons that support anything a republican president does in the name of god and country. (Many of whom also sport a rebel flag on their daily driver. Oh the irony!) Some of us veterans value the lives of our service men and women and never want to see them risked for anything less than our national security. There is a huge difference between being a pacifist and believing we went into Iraq on trumped up bogus charges while spending a trillion dollars we had to borrow from China. Would you still support that war knowing there was no WMD's, that it would cost a trillion dollars we don't have, that it would kill thousands of our troops, maim tens of thousands more and leave hundreds of thousands of others suffering from PTSD? As to his business, it came about selling equipments to his brothers in arms after he got out of the military. The equipment sold doesn't kill anyone, it makes the jobs of soldiers, sailors, and airmen much easier. I always get a chuckle when I see some of you talk about supporting veterans and two posts later tell me to stuff my opinion up my ass because you disagree with it. I guess the only vets worth supporting are the ones you agree with. And as for the communist comment, Leave that to TxAg. I would hope you were above that and could debate ideas instead of just resorting to name calling. Kind of shows a lower IQ to go that direction. But to answer your original question, I think the best thing to do is to have a rational discussion with those you disagree with. Don't just take the easy route and do a pile on the only self professed Liberal that post on the site. |
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Wasn't pulling out part of the reason the extremists were able to conjure up so much hate against the United States in the first place?
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Like Viet Nam, we should have never been there on the ground in the first place.... each are had simple solutions, but that did not fit the billing of the PROGRESSIVES to destroy this country by sapping the morale of the public and by extension, the troops.... |
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As to Cheney's supposed "lie" over WMD's, a closer inspection of the truth would find that Saddam's own scientists were lying to him that they indeed did have a nuclear program. Our diminished CIA resources, another gift of "well-meaning" liberals, was gathering it's information from high ranking officers within Saddam's own military... Saddam believed he had a viable nuclear program as evidenced by his refusal for UN inspections and internal CIA intel confirmed as much... it's a bit of a stretch then to conclude we should have known MORE than the ruler of the country but is typical of the left and their "America is evil" bias. All of those involved have acknowledged getting it "wrong" on WMD's and in most cases apologized. Try this on for size... YOU are President... your country has just been struck in an unprecedented attack the likes of Pearl Harbor and costing us 3,000 civilians and Billions in economic damage.. it's also clear that "IF" any of these crazy people had their hands on a nuke, they wouldn't hesitate to use it... so imagine losing an entire US City... say... NYC... Muslims the World over would rejoice in 12 million deaths as a part of their "peaceful religion" but the effects on the West would be devastating... and lead to a full out nuclear response from the US that would dwarf WWII... this would be because public outcry would demand swift and terrible retribution as well as being a preventative measure to ensure that never could happen again...so, now you're Bush on Sept 12th, being handed what you believe to be credible information that Saddam is either in possession of nuclear devices or about to be... with a clear history of mischief along with supplying terrorists support and materials, it wasn't a far fetched conclusion to imagine Saddam supplying a nuclear device to suicidal jihadists... what would YOU have done differently?? In the end.. 30 million people now have the taste of freedom for the first time in their lives and are free of tyranny.. something you take for granted. I find your lack of gratitude and in fact all liberals lack of respect for these freedoms, paid for in blood, nothing less than appalling. I wonder why the entire Middle East is now breaking out in cries for personal freedom?? I'm sure you could never admit it might be due to policies the evil George Bush put into place or the work that free American soldiers performed to supply freedom to a Nation bereft of it. This would just not fit with your larger narrative of the US and Bush as agent s of evil... party line of liberals sold to well meaning but hopelessly naive and ignorant American citizens as "fact"... you wanna talk about lies... liberals have been spouting nothing but lies for generations. |
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On the issue of religion, i feel that your are free to not believe in God, the same way that people are free to believe in a ham sandwich as a supreme being if they want. Its ironic that the left is all for religious tolerance, except for Christians. I understand you went to parochial schools and that fostered a lot of conflict and disbelief. I don't agree with a lot of tenants of the Catholic Church and to an extent organized religion in general. But religion and faith are two different things, and your classification of all Christians (see tebow thread) as "loons" completely discredits you in the department. AS for the pacifist war profiteer statement, i think that has already been covered. You are profiting off of a war you denounce, that comes across as very hypocritical, regardless of if your product is a weapon or not. You, admittedly, identify yourself as a leftist (which is synonymous with communist), yet you are an avid capitalist. once again it reeks of hypocrisy. You want to increase others taxes and regulations, but i don't hear about you volunteering any extra cash to the feds. I'm sure they would be happy to redistribute your wealth for you if thats what you truly believe in. |
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He just wants to redistribute your wealth. |
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The overwhelming vast majority of people on this planet are what ever religion they are because that is the religion they were born into. These religions conflict in their beliefs and historically has been the cause of most of the death and destruction humans have imposed on each other. If there was a god, what kind of being would allow this to happen? And if you still believe there is a god that allows this to happen, is this truly a being worthy of worship? My problem with ALL religion isn't that people practice it, its that they then try to use it to impose their will onto others. The "personhood" bullshit movement is a perfect example. Teaching intelligent design is another. These beliefs are based on nonsense that people only believe because they were brought up to believe. You can not rationalize any of it. Religion has never been anything but mind control for the masses. And the only difference between religion and faith is that you are too embarrassed to admit you believe in the bible. Quote:
Seriously? Well then by your logic every republican doctor should quit accepting medicare and medicaid payments because congress passed the health care bill. And how the hell can you call a veteran who supports the war in Afghanistan a pacifist? Do you even know what that word means? Quote:
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People (for the most part) pay the government the taxes they owe. To suggest that those of us that support higher taxes are hypocrites simply because we don't send in more money isn't even worth a discussion. Its the kind of stupid shit Rush says to his mindless dolts to justify his position. I took an enormous amount of shit years ago when I posted about spending $5,000 upgrading one of my old cars. As a result I don't generally post anymore about what toys I buy. But having said that, I assure you that I am in the income bracket Obama wants to raise the taxes on. And I fully support him doing so. |
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This was all just bullshit excuses to go in and finish the job Bush's daddy never did. Quote:
Well, I can do math. So lets take a closer look at this shit you are now trying to sell. At the very conservative war cost estimate of a trillion dollars. Each one of the Iraqi's that we freed cost American tax payers $33,000. If you then factor in the interest on the money we had to borrow to pay for this war combined with the long term cost of caring for the combat veterans that came back, the total cost of the war may be closer to two trillion or more. That means it may be close to about $66,000 per Iraqi that we freed. With 300 million of us, that means our "Boy Scout" Iraq merit badge - as you now like to present the war - cost ever many woman and child in this country about $6500. So having spent so much on freeing these people its reassuring to know how much they love us and support us for what we did. Oh wait a minute, I forgot. They hate us as much as they ever did. Quote:
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Do you deny that Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons (which by definition are WMDs) to kill hundreds of thousands of his own people? |
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Just to clarify YOUR position... you will bitch about how much it cost to feed and house our own poor, yet you have no problem spending a hell of a lot more to foreign Muslims who as a whole, despise us. Also, If you want to use Saddam's brutality as justification for the Iraq cluster **** then why are we not now "liberating" all those who suffer in North Korea, Iran and the rest of the shit holes ruled by despots? You want to claim the moral high ground, but it is out of your reach. |
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I'll gladly admit that my views are formed in the best interest of myself and my country. |
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Oh and here is a link to the Chemical weapons Key findings:
Duelfer Report I'm not gonna post that entire thing. |
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