Daughter in law just found out she was on the Air Force's cut list

[bsmith]

The company I work for laid off two employees late last year, the first layoff in 25+ years.

They retained a worthless piece of shit that only does what he wants, at his own pace, and refuses some assignments... for no other reason than "I don't want to".
He has been here for 20+ years, so he was retained at the expense of two others that actually want to work and care about their performance... And they were paid less.

Life isn't fair.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Nox

Nukes are so 1960. The United States could jettison half it's nukes and still have enough to blow up the world how many times over? You read about all those Nuke Techs getting in trouble? It's because they're bored. The "Bear" couldn't fight its way out of a paper bag, and last I checked, China was more interested in selling us fake handbags than blowing up the hand that feeds them. We could still have in place a token nuclear arsenal and still take out the Norks with one hand tied behind our backs. Still, I think it's unfair how they are RIFing senior personnel. They should offer retraining opportunities...

I agree there are way more nukes than needed to extinguish each person on earth. My point goes back to the same folks in charge of keeping, securing, and possibly using those nukes. And yes, the process to rif folks is not a smart one. But this is the process signed off from our "Senior Leaders". Incredible but not really surprising to me.



*I'm getting too deep into this and my blood pressure is spiking. Maybe I should go look at funny cats on youtube.

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

I sell to all branches of government. States, municipalities, and counties too.

Anyone who spends money they earned instead of taxed?

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by TxAg

Or go search for some porn.

I've already spanked it like it did something wrong.

[Stangkiller]

It's the government they make irrational moves that intentionally garner a ton of negative publicity, then internationally hurt a lot of people, and blame the other party claiming they had to do it by law.

Typical politicking right there yet again using the livelihood of those who have offered everything they have to serve the American people.

[Craig]

Is she getting any kind of separation package? I saw folks getting the boot in the early 90s when I was in the Navy and they were getting some nice fat checks to get out.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Loco Vette

Anyone who spends money they earned instead of taxed?

Says a lot that you don't think our guys in uniform "earn" their money.

[thegreenman]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

BBC News - Pentagon's Chuck Hagel plans to downsize US military

I understand the need to downsize the military, but the way they are going about it is ****ing stupid.

They are notifying people that were promoted in certain months that they are on the list to be given mandatory early separation of service. That's right, it is going to be a completely arbitrary process.

My daughter in law was notified that since she was promoted in the first two weeks in December of 2013, that she is one of the 25,000 people on the Air Force's short list.

She has never failed a PT test or had ANY work related performance issues. She has been the perfect Air Man.

She is a nuclear weapon technician. The Air Force spent more than $150K for her top secret security clearance and training.

Meanwhile the Air Force is STILL RECRUITING AND TRAINING PEOPLE FOR THIS JOB.

Instead of randomly kicking out high performing people, the military should

1) Stop all new enlistments.

2) Allow people two years out from reenlistment the opportunity to reenlist NOW. If you don't, then that would be a qualifier to be on the separation list. This would allow people who were going to get out anyway an opportunity to do so early while letting people who wanted to make the military a career stay in.

If you still have to go to an involuntary separation process, get rid of the people who can't pass a PT test or are not proficient in their jobs go first. Anytime a private company has to lay off people, they always lay off the dead weight first. No company would just say everyone who got a promotion last month is now going to be fired, that is just stupid. And its exactly what the military is doing.

She will know by June if they are kicking her out or not. If nothing changes, her separation date will be December 31st.

Tell your daughter-in-law to hang in there. I did 21 years in the Air Force and still work for them as a contractor, over 30 years experience with the Air Force.

The Air Force is drawing down as well as the other branches. I can tell you those failing PT and on medical hold are being cut loose.

Unfortunately, performance has little to do with retainability, once the quota of reenlistment is attained the rest are not needed (bean counter mentality).

If she can get her CJR (Career Job Reservation) approved early enough she will be good for reenlisting (not being cut). Those not getting their CJR are usually offered another career choice unless major cuts are in effect which is what is happening now due to the draw down, in other words they use this to say "sorry you are out".

On top of that, all of the bad press the nuke program has been getting the past couple of years is directly affecting the funding, which affects manning, she can thank her leadership for that.

The same thing happened in the 90's, a lot of talented people were denied reenlistment and a lot of good people got out due to the BS cuts.

I know it seems odd that the newly promoted are getting cut but in reality they are the least experienced (on paper) at that rank so logic would dictate they are the most expendable. Not saying I agree with this logic but it is a number crunching process.

To make things worse, the performance system is over inflated so the Air Force is not able to truely rate individuals on job performance. If everyone walks on water, then how can we tell who is really performing above the rest.

I hope your daughter in law is able to stay in to achieve her goals. The Air Force did a lot of good for me and have no regrets serving my 21 years.

[1911fool]

Doesn't congress have to approve this first?

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Says a lot that you don't think our guys in uniform "earn" their money.

They're not spending the money they earned on your pumps.

[thegreenman]

Originally Posted by 1911fool

Doesn't congress have to approve this first?

They are the ones forcing the cuts. No branch wants to cut manning but $$$$$ mandates otherwise.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by thegreenman

They are the ones forcing the cuts. No branch wants to cut manning but $$$$$ mandates otherwise.

We just surrendered two wars we had won; we don't need as many military personnel now that we're pacifists.

[thegreenman]

Originally Posted by Craig

We just surrendered two wars we had won; we don't need as many military personnel now that we're pacifists.

Unfortunately the new foreign policy of sticking our head in the sand is going to cost dearly down the road.

[Nox]

Originally Posted by thegreenman

Unfortunately the new foreign policy of sticking our head in the sand is going to cost dearly down the road.

Since World War II, can you name some place where it did any good to provide FIDs, or become involved? Don't forget, at one time we backed Manuel Noriega, the Mujahideen, and even Saddam Hussein. Sometimes, letting them rot to their own devices is the better move. You may not hear about it in the news, but at least now, we're taking out a lot of trash using Tier 1 assets judiciously.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Nox

Since World War II, can you name some place where it did any good to provide FIDs, or become involved? Don't forget, at one time we backed Manuel Noriega, the Mujahideen, and even Saddam Hussein. Sometimes, letting them rot to their own devices is the better move. You may not hear about it in the news, but at least now, we're taking out a lot of trash using Tier 1 assets judiciously.

I'd say, "I'll believe it when I see it," but I'm sure, if it's really happening, I'll never see it; which is fine, if it's really happening.

[boracayjohnny]

Originally Posted by Nox

Since World War II, can you name some place where it did any good to provide FIDs, or become involved? Don't forget, at one time we backed Manuel Noriega, the Mujahideen, and even Saddam Hussein. Sometimes, letting them rot to their own devices is the better move. You may not hear about it in the news, but at least now, we're taking out a lot of trash using Tier 1 assets judiciously.

If the politicians wouldn't play political games, the tier 1 assets would be even more effective. Further, I do imagine the tier 1 folks don't want to be held back due to some politician playing to other politicians either domestic or foreign.

[Nox]

Originally Posted by Craig

I'd say, "I'll believe it when I see it," but I'm sure, if it's really happening, I'll never see it; which is fine, if it's really happening.

Here... here's one that accidentally...

US raid on key Osama pal caught on tape | New York Post

[VITE1]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

One has nothing to do with the other. I understand that we are no longer fighting two wars and the military needs to shrink its budget. This happens after every war / conflict.

The mandate to reduce the number of troops is a DIRECT result of the sequester.

The issue isn't so much that the military is going to shrink, its the absolutely stupid way they are going about it.

Let the people who want to leave, leave first.

Stop recruiting people for these jobs, spending the money to train them and then randomly kicking out others already doing that job with much more knowledge and experience.

Kick out the ones that can't pass a PT test or do their jobs before going after the competent people.

You don't get it. Government takes the easy road andwill screw overeveryone just to keep people like you looking for them to help. Military or welfare they are not about doing their job. They are about manipulating their power.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Dixievet

Ever thought that the government keeps the incompetent people because they know the competent ones can land a job whereas the incompetent ones will merely end up on govt assistance anyway?

Originally Posted by Barn Babe

I don't think they put this much thought into it.

Thought? Perhaps.
Logic-based reasoning? Doubtful

Just another example of why our gov't should not be permitted to administer so much as a lemonade stand beyond what is Constitutionally necessary.

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Says a lot that you don't think our guys in uniform "earn" their money.

They're not spending their salaries on your overpriced garden hoses. they're spending money allocated to them for procurements. Fail on the condescension.