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Is life fair? No. Far from it. However in the attempt to make it "fair" you will be forced to do harm. Is it sad that those individuals died. Absolutely. Is it fair for them to expect others to fix their problems? Or even demand it? Absolutely not. It's unfortunate the family was unable to raise the money, or have the insurance to pay for it, or work out a deal with the hospital to do some work pro bono, but that is life. It's inherently unfair. I have no idea if they will create death panels, but if you don't have the ability to care for yourself, and depend on others to take care of you financially, what do you expect to happen when the money runs out? |
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Two Dead Since Arizona Medicaid Program Slashed Transplant Coverage Hospital Confirms Former Patient Died While Awaiting Liver Transplant Jan. 6, 2011 Arizona Transplant Patients Die After State Cuts Medical Insurance - ABC News Two Arizona Medicaid recipients denied potentially life-saving organ transplants have died, even as Arizona doctors, transplant survivors and some lawmakers push to restore health care benefits slashed last fall. (See video where Brewer spent elsewhere) |
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Do you see the issues you can have when you place your faith in the government? With a private company, they'd at least have the option to take them to court and possibly get a redress for their grievances. |
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Obamacare instead assaults the rest of us, will cost Hundreds of Billions, does NOT effectively address the REAL causes of cost increases, etc. It's shrouded in lies, and it's true aim is socialism. The day after it passed Obama was telling his followers it was just the first step on the road to single payer. With a mild payroll tax increase and a lifting of the cap around $100,000 (both of which could be off-set by an equivalent REDUCTION to personal income taxes) you could fix medicare and add the millions of Americans Democrats claim this is all about helping, all WITHOUT harassing the rest of us and wreaking the havoc Obamacare will. An excerpt from a paper I wrote critiquing the new law: Quote:
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(2) Your question, as worded, makes no sense. (3) Please supply whatever data you wish me to comment on. (4) Please explain what it has to do with the fact that Obamacare is an idiotic and inefficient way of solving whatever problem exists. |
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For years you've proposed that Reagonomics is the one true way to American economic *freedom* ... I lived in California when Reagan was Governor ... the first thing that happened was that he emptied the mental hospitals and Sacramento was flooded with mentally-deranged people walking the streets ... it was so bad, a tent city had to be made ... it's there to this day .. and Jared Loughner (Tucson Killer) was a by-product of Reagans' *The Evils of Socialized Mediicine* policy ... At what point are there *diminshing returns* ... costs with regards to people and their health to security and health of a nation ? |
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From my perspective it's a psuedo-govt. regulated economy ... but hell, it took 50 years to create the EU to emerge as a major trading block such that the value of the euro on the global markets can withstand it's most impoverished debtor/deficit members' *economic inconsistencies* ...
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OK...and what is it that the Obama administration is pushing for more of?
I didn't ask if you were for it, against it or indifferent... True or False. Obama has from day 1 pushed for increased government regulation of the economy. |
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Your standard reply... At least change it up from time to time.
By YOUR definition, Socialism is government regulated economy. It is not a secret that the current administration is continuously pushing for more and more regulation. Whether the country needs it or not is irrelevant. Whether you think it is a good thing is completely irrelevant. If you can't make the connection... well... You are so closed minded that you would never for one instant consider that there are other ways of doing things and that people who see things in different ways than you might be right. You have proven that time and time again. With that said. Some battles aren't worth fighting and some people aren't worth fighting with. This is one of those times. |
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At what point are there *diminshing returns* ... costs with regards to people and their health to security and health of a nation ?[/QUOTE] WTF? The makers of Rosetta Stone mrvette edition need to get to work on yours next. Talking to you is like talking to downs baby. |
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... despite what todays *McCarthyists* ~ Palin, Bachmann, Beckerhead, Rushbocontin and the Congressional Bush neocons still in office say ... who got us here today the same way their hero Hoover did .. |
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The makers of Rosetta Stone mrvette edition need to get to work on yours next. Talking to you is like talking to downs baby.[/QUOTE] If you have something important to say, say it ... post a graph or something in compliance with my request .... otherwise quit trying to involve me in your dementias ... it didn't play out way way back in CFPR&C and certainly won't play it out here where you don't have Grumpy and mhlls' panties to hide in ... |
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Like I said, I am done with the political argument but from a personal side... you really need to let that go. I don't know what happened over there (and don't really care) but damn man. You bring it up in every thread!
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