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Old 02-24-2011, 1:10pm   #41
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Have you completely missed the point of what I am saying?
Red, you are in the shallow end of the gene pool here. These guys are not the best and brightest.
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Red, you are in the shallow end of the gene pool here. These guys are not the best and brightest.
Don't you get tired of coming over to PR&C with nothing to contribute other than as a flame-troller ?
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what if you are genetically predisposed [like I am?] if you can't afford it just die? the same old "I got mine,you get yours mentality"you people are so famous for.
Why do you expect others to pay for you?

You realize that is what government health care is doing right? Demanding that others pay for your care at the point of a gun?

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do you know anyone who is low income & needs health care? I do. in fact she lives right there in Harris county. she says it's almost non existent unless you go to the ER & when the bill comes you will shit your pants.
My sister.

She makes it by because certain institutions decided to donate their time and talent to make her better, and for that I was extremely grateful. We didn't demand it, or expect it, it was a show of good faith on their part.
It left the choice to the hospital (Mayo Clinic BTW) they were not forced to do that which they did not want to do. Charity is quite the thing.

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Another fundamental of Obamacare is the creation of a better healthier economy ... and I can see it would be going through one ear and out the other if I digressed on item by item with specifics ...

Nobody is gonna put you in jail for not having Obamacare ... that's a neocon fear agenda ...

... but they will put you in jail and impound your car for not having auto insurance and/or a drivers license (and why do you need a drivers license as a Gerogia (R) congressman wants to get of ...)
Other than converting to a police state that regulates any and all activities that people do, how in the world is making people carry health insurance going to do that?
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Other than converting to a police state that regulates any and all activities that people do, how in the world is making people carry health insurance going to do that?
Well, I'm a little perplexed as to how and why more healthy human beings in a society that contributes to the economy (the one and only attribute that early man found out lead to a great, specialized and civilized society) equates to socialism/communism/national socialist fascism ...
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For the majority of individuals on the Forum, this Bill has no affect because they already have the amount of insurance they want and need.

The entire Bill is about insuring the uninsured., which based on what I have been reading, NO ONE on this Forum.

Move on, nothing to see here.
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Well, I'm a little perplexed as to how and why more healthy human beings in a society that contributes to the economy (the one and only attribute that early man found out lead to a great, specialized and civilized society) equates to socialism/communism/national socialist fascism ...
That's some pretty fancy correlation = causation you're using there.

How does having insurance = people being healthier?

People utilize health insurance once they are already sick.

I suppose it's possible that it will increase recovery times in some cases, but will it always? Does it actually do anything about changing bad habits and lifestyles?
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For the majority of individuals on the Forum, this Bill has no affect because they already have the amount of insurance they want and need.

The entire Bill is about insuring the uninsured., which based on what I have been reading, NO ONE on this Forum.

Move on, nothing to see here.
Yeah but you're taking away their freedom to fear-based bash ... last loose end they have that gives meaning to their existence ... sad.
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That's some pretty fancy correlation = causation you're using there.

How does having insurance = people being healthier?

People utilize health insurance once they are already sick.

I suppose it's possible that it will increase recovery times in some cases, but will it always? Does it actually do anything about changing bad habits and lifestyles?
Oh, I read the Healtcare Reform Bill to include CBO findings (CBO findings are most important as the Party of No watered the Healthcare Bill down) ... took a coupl'a months ... how'bout you ?
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Oh, I read the Healtcare Reform Bill to include CBO findings (CBO findings are most important as the Party of No watered the Healthcare Bill down) ... took a coupl'a months ... how'bout you ?
No I haven't. Got a link?

Any which way, I still don't find it anything short of tyranny to demand that others must purchase a product, whether they want it or not. Free will has to be worth something.
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No I haven't. Got a link?
You haven't saved the link to you favorites for perusage of the bill, yet you can make the condemnations you do ? ... damn.

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Any which way, I still don't find it anything short of tyranny to demand that others must purchase a product, whether they want it or not. Free will has to be worth something.
How'bout Palin & Brewer Death Panels ... are those tyranny ?
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-Obamacare forces you to protect yourself.
and it works just like auto insurance. everybody pays & everybody benefits. simple,huh?
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Don't you get tired of coming over to PR&C with nothing to contribute other than as a flame-troller ?
what do you expect from a guy that gets all butt hurt mad when you bash the fat,junkie racist,junkie POS Rushbo? did I mention junkie?
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and it works just like auto insurance. everybody pays & everybody benefits. simple,huh?
Wow, such a bad thing.

Somehow I think the Privilege don't want to protect all Americans.

Unless they're going to War to do their work.
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You haven't saved the link to you favorites for perusage of the bill, yet you can make the condemnations you do ? ... damn.
I admit, I haven't read all of it, but I have seen several summaries of it.
Like this one.
Health Care Reform Bill Summary: A Look At What's in the Bill - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

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* In 2014, everyone must purchase health insurance or face a $695 annual fine. There are some exceptions for low-income people.


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How'bout Palin & Brewer Death Panels ... are those tyranny ?
Remember how we discussed how if I took a loan out on a car, and the lender demanded that I carry insurance on the car, that I would do it, since I don't technically own the car.

If I expected other people to pay for my health care, why would they all of a sudden be left out of the decision when I'm spending their money?


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and it works just like auto insurance. everybody pays & everybody benefits. simple,huh?

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

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and it works just like auto insurance. everybody pays & everybody benefits. simple,huh?
Define Socialism...

No, Exotix... I am not name calling or resorting to that kind of crap but even you have to admit that the above statement is pretty much the entire basis of Socialism.
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Remember how we discussed how if I took a loan out on a car, and the lender demanded that I carry insurance on the car, that I would do it, since I don't technically own the car.

If I expected other people to pay for my health care, why would they all of a sudden be left out of the decision when I'm spending their money?
Brewer spent Stimulus money on private prisons (one escaped and committed heinous murders on the run until he was caught and sent back to the same private prison) and a roof for a colesium but denied organ transplants to her own citizens on the cusp of those inviduals getting those organs ... they all died.


Palins' Death Panels caused by Obamacare are the ones you still believe exist. (probably because you didn't read the actual 2,000 page watered down to about 1,000 pages by the (R)'s so to make for better comfy-at-home reading in-between margeurita golf outings)
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Define Socialism...

No, Exotix... I am not name calling or resorting to that kind of crap but even you have to admit that the above statement is pretty much the entire basis of Socialism.
Get over the label of Socialism and realize the benefits of a Healthier America and lower Health Care Cost for everyone.

We are our brother keeper, because if Americans don't look out for Americans, who will?

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Define Socialism...

No, Exotix... I am not name calling or resorting to that kind of crap but even you have to admit that the above statement is pretty much the entire basis of Socialism.
Depends on what the definition of socialism is ... is ... the right-wing wants you to believe that the Europeans' & Canadians' healthcare is lousy despite longevity and better health and as a neccessary contrubution to the economy ...

I for one believe that the right-wing uses the term socialsim to infer Obama Gulags as opposed to Bush/Cheny FEMA camps for Libs ...
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Bush/Cheny FEMA camps for Libs ...
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what do you expect from a guy that gets all butt hurt mad when you bash the fat,junkie racist,junkie POS Rushbo? did I mention junkie?
Bashing and openly calling for his slow and painful death are two different things, studmuffin.
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