Supreme Court rules on healthcare law

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Rebublicans don't have their heads up their ass, they actually don't give a shit about the health care for people.

Its really that simple.

They had 8 years under Bush to fix the system and did exactly jack shit.

Had they done something, ANYTHING to fix the problem, you would never have seen the health care bill that Obama put forward.

I disagree, the Republicans do have their heads up their asses. If they didn't, they would not have nominated that weak dick piece of shit politician John McCain for president. What has he accomplished in his years in office to impress anyone he should be president? It was simply "his turn" to be nominated.

As far as Republicans not giving a shit about health care "for the people", I put that on the same plane as wanting dirty air and water "for the people". They are just complete lines of shit that when repeated on end without rebuttal sound plausible to those that want to believe it.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

That's because they don't want to provide health insurance for the masses.

Health care is NOT a social or public program, it's a service purchased from another person who went to school for many years to provide those services.

Bingo.

[Torqaholic]

I guess I can afford that measly fine for a year or two until I retire. Free medical for the rest of my life? Thanks suckers

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by theanswriz42

I think all the homophobes in congress lead me to believe otherwise. I really don't understand why anyone would be against gay marriage (or care if gays get married) if it wasn't religiously motivated. If gays have the same rights and restrictions as anyone else, why should anyone care?

Which "homophobes" are those? Why be against gay marriage? How about because it is an oxymoron. Gays have the same rights as straights when it comes to marriage. They are free to wed a person of the opposite sex, just like straight citizens can do. Likewise, straight citizens cannot marry someone of the same sex. The law applies equally in both cases. To give someone the right to marry someone of the same sex would be a special right.

[kingpin]

I know how you guys feel aboot this so I'm not going to get in to if this is a good or bad thing.
What you think is good enough for me.

There are members on this board who have been almost bankrupted because of huge medical bills.

Isn't this going to help prevent things like that from happening to "good" people also?

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by kingpin

...
Isn't this going to help prevent things like that from happening to "good" people also?

Not going to prevent the doctors from killing anyone with their stupidity. They're watering down the quality and malpractice cases are going to skyrocket.

[MrPeabody]

Originally Posted by kingpin

I know how you guys feel aboot this so I'm not going to get in to if this is a good or bad thing.
What you think is good enough for me.

There are members on this board who have been almost bankrupted because of huge medical bills.

Isn't this going to help prevent things like that from happening to "good" people also?

Yes and no. My wife has had outstanding medical coverage during her career, and without it we would have been bankrupted to pay the million $ or so in medical bills she has had in the last 15 years.

She is retired now, and the COBRA is expensive. She will qualify for disability once it runs out.

I have had to go on the open market to purchase an individual plan. It is not very expensive, but has a high annual deductible, which will be doable, but a financial burden if anything big happens. Life itself is a risk, and it just goes on.

[Will]

The blind stupidity and willful ignorance of the left on this is simply stunning. "Go Team" Mentality, all they care about is that Democrats did a thing and they won. Stupid.

Treating the individual mandate as a tax does NOTHING to protect individual liberty and limited government. Now congress has carte blanche to force Americans into doing anything as long as they characterize the fine/punishment for noncompliance as a tax. Justices Roberts, Sotamayor, Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kagan basically just gave the Federal Government an Easy Button for completely subverting the constitution and making Americans do anything they damn well want. It actually would have been BETTER if they had ruled it was constitutional under commerce clause powers. Treating it as a tax creates a streamlined process by which the federal government can piss all over any notion of individual liberty and limited government and do ANYTHING to us. ALL they have to do under this ruling is impose monetary punishment and call it a "tax," and they can force us to do ANYTHING constitutionally as long as this sham ruling remains in place.

Hey Joecooool, how would you like it if Romney becomes President, Republicans take over the senate, and they pass a law requiring every American to annually purchase a $100 share in the newly formed "Republican Campaign Corporation," giving the Republicans an annual campaign fund of $30 BILLION DOLLARS ????? Guess what, under this ruling it would be perfectly constitutional for them to impose this scheme if the enforcement mechanism for noncompliance was a $100 "TAX."

STUPID, STUPID, STUPID. Worst SCOTUS decision of our lifetimes. Hello Big Government, Goodbye individual autonomy.

[Ryan Bell]

And here we thought Justice Roberts was a conservative. Was he bought off? No truly intelligent person could make a ruling like that. Ridiculous.

[04 commemorative]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

I just hope the Republicans pull their heads out of their asses and make the election all about repealing this shit.

yeah but won't happen

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

It increases the rebates on drugs people get through Medicare (so drugs cost less)

the rebated money comes from other peoples paychecks. You won't find that a problem though.

It makes chain restaurants like McDonalds display how many calories are in all of their foods

It's already being done; willingly To claim it's because of one of your cults leaders... is laughable.

so people can have an easier time making choices to eat healthy.

People already know; and choose to eat whatever their freedom desires.

Kids can continue to be covered by their parents' health insurance until they're 26.

where will that money for these continued low premiums come from? Other peoples paychecks. Why should I be forced to suppliment my neighbors son who is a drunk/druggie/HS dropout... who can't keep a job, and still lives with his mommie & daddy well after age 18 ?

It renews some old policies, and calls for the appointment of various positions.

generalized feel-good statement that would surely help the man at the county fair sell his trinkets.

Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they're turned down.

It's already done; willingly To claim it's because of one of your cults leaders... is laughable.

New ways to stop fraud are created.

Medicare patients with chronic illnesses must be monitored more thoroughly.

A new website is made to give people insurance and health information.

generalized feel-good statement that would surely help the man at the county fair sell his trinkets.

Any health plans sold after this date must provide preventative care (mammograms, colonoscopies, etc.) without requiring any sort of co-pay or charge.

and to pay for this ??? money will come from other peoples paychecks.

No more "pre-existing conditions". At all. People will be charged the same regardless of their medical history.

and if peoples pre-existing conditions were due to personal acts.... why should I be forced to help them have afforedable rates? To pay for this, money will come from other peoples paychecks.

I won't even bother with the other "generalized" statrements.

It's sad when people have glee over the spending other peoples money. Making yourself feel good - by spending your neighbors money - is nothing to be happy about.

[BuckyThreadkiller]

Uhm. Will - Congress has had this ability since the Constitution was ratified.

They did it for income tax, social security, medicare ...

This is merely the next step in the socialist programming of America.


Next up - Higher education. The only way to control escalating college tuition is to give every American child the right to a college degree. A simple tax on every American will allow all high school graduates the basics of a four year ride at a state school without the onerous burden of student loans. It's the fair thing to do.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

That's because they don't want to provide health insurance for the masses.

Health care is NOT a social or public program, it's a service purchased from another person who went to school for many years to provide those services.

Well, thats where we disagree. I view needing health care in the same realm as needing an education, fire or police departments. Essential public services.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

You know what would really help this discussion? A CHART! Or maybe a GRAPH!

If we only had a member with these skills.

[Joecooool]

Originally Posted by theanswriz42

I think all the homophobes in congress lead me to believe otherwise. I really don't understand why anyone would be against gay marriage (or care if gays get married) if it wasn't religiously motivated. If gays have the same rights and restrictions as anyone else, why should anyone care?

This is what happens when you pick a judge - John Roberts - on wedge social issues like abortion and homosexuality, and not pertinent issues like how he/she views the Commerce Clause.

Social conservatives only have themselves to thank for this ruling.

[Will]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

Well, thats where we disagree. I view needing health care in the same realm as needing an education, fire or police departments. Essential public services.

How does that belief justify giving Congress the right to engage in totalitarian governance???

Congress can literally now make anyone do anything it desires as long as the punishment for noncompliance is a "tax"

Celebrating this ruling is like celebrating saving a starving dog by feeding it 10 babies.

[Kevin_73]

So let me get this straight. The law requires all American citizens to purchase health care insurance, but if they don't comply they will be charged a penalty which they may or may not pay since there is no penalty for not paying the penalty?
Also, as I recall reading, if someone who has not purchased health care insurance (or enrolled in the government health care insurance) is admitted to a hospital they will be automatically enrolled in the government health care insurance and be required to pay for it for the next year (or two?)?

If this is the case, I don't see why any healthy person under the age of 40 would bother to either buy health insurance, or enroll in the government plan. It is a very high monthly expense that for healthy young people is only a necessity in case of sickness or injury. But now under ACA they are assured that the .gov will give them all the medical care they need if they are sick or injured, and they will be billed only for the cost of the government health care insurance, but they don't really have to pay for it since there are no penalties for not paying.

Is that correct, or am I ?

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

How about a Mod with some Mod powers moves this turd in the applicable section? We got a Mod floating around here?

[BuckyThreadkiller]

Originally Posted by Joecooool

This is what happens when you pick a judge - John Roberts - on wedge social issues like abortion and homosexuality, and not pertinent issues like how he/she views the Commerce Clause.

Social conservatives only have themselves to thank for this ruling.

Roberts got it right on the commerce clause - he said it was unconstitutional under the commerce clause.

While the Democrats always said this wasn't a tax while proposing the law and sneaking it through Congress, apparently the government's lawyers made the case during arguments before the Court that it was constitutional as a tax.

Roberts wasn't the problem, bait and switch by the Democrats was what got this through the Court.

The end result is that Obama just gave the country the most sweeping tax increase in history, affecting every single American and fundamentally changing every paycheck in the country.

The warm fuzzy of universal healthcare will give way to the cold grey light of how the hell do we afford this real soon. Obama better hope nobody realizes that before November.

[Fasglas]

Originally Posted by Stangkiller

Unfortunately Romney doesn't have much of a leg to stand on regarding socialized medicine, as he inacted it in Mass.

Romney isn't much different from Obama as far as health care. His speeches NOW claim that once elected, his FIRST act will be to repeal Obamacare, and REPLACE It. Really? Replaced with what? Hmmmm?

Supremes have proven to be the enemy.