Conservatives need to quit hating on Tesla

[SurfnSun]

This is my opinion of course, but I ask...

Who, besides Trump, has done more for conservatives in the last 8 years than Elon Musk?

He's not even a conservative but what he did with Twitter to expose the swamp and allow the truth to be seen can't be understated. He exposed more proof of the deep state than Trump did. All made possible by that battery powered car that conservatives love to hate.

Let the hate and debate rage

[Steve_R]

I certainly don't hate Tesla or Musk. I hate the .gov trying to force us to choose EVs, but that's not Tesla's or Musk's fault.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

This is my opinion of course, but I ask...

Who, besides Trump, has done more for conservatives in the last 8 years than Elon Musk?

He's not even a conservative but what he did with Twitter to expose the swamp and allow the truth to be seen can't be understated. He exposed more proof of the deep state than Trump did. All made possible by that battery powered car that conservatives love to hate.

Let the hate and debate rage

Elon Musk is the savior of free speech.. Yes, there is still censorship but for privacy reasons and not viewpoint censorship.

[Onebadcad]

https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/busine...ronment-study/

Electric vehicles release more toxic emissions, are worse for the environment than gas-powered cars:

study By Social Links forShannon Thaler
Published March 5, 2024, 10:00 a.m. ET

Electric vehicles release more toxic particles into the atmosphere and are worse than the environment than their gas-powered counterparts, according to a resurfaced study.

The study, published by emissions data firm Emission Analytics, was released in 2022 but has attracted a wave of attention this week after being cited in a Wall Street Journal op-ed Sunday.

It found that brakes and tires on EVs release 1,850 times more particle pollution compared to modern tailpipes, which have “efficient” exhaust filters, bringing gas-powered vehicles’ emissions to new lows.

Today, most vehicle-related pollution comes from tire wear.

As heavy cars drive on light-duty tires — most often made with synthetic rubber made from crude oil and other fillers and additives — they deteriorate and release harmful chemicals into the air, according to Emission Analytics.

Electric vehicles release more toxic particles into the atmosphere due to tire wear, according to Emission Analytics, which said battery-powered cars are more than 30% heavier than their gas-powered counterparts.

Because EVs are on average 30% heavier, brakes and tires on the battery-powered cars wear out faster than on standard cars.

Emission Analytics found that tire wear emissions on half a metric tonne of battery weight in an EV are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions.

For reference, half a metric tonne is equivalent to roughly 1,100 pounds. The most popular EV in the US, Tesla’s Model Y, boasts a lithium-ion battery that weighs in at a hefty 1,836 pounds.

Another sought-after electric model, Ford’s F-150 Lightning pickup truck, also has an approximately 1,800-pound battery.

Graph comparing tire-wear emissions to direct exhaust emissions. EV tire-wear emissions 1,850x greater due to weight and wear.

Emission Analytics found that tire wear emissions with about 1,100 pounds of battery weight in an EV are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions. Most EV batteries weigh around 1,800 pounds.
Emissions Analytics

The study throws doubt on the practicality of the Biden administration’s EV mandates, which tout electric cars as “zero-emissions vehicles” in a quest to force two-thirds of new cars in America to be all-electric by the year 2032.

California lawmakers have similarly referred to EVs as producing “zero emissions” because they don’t have tailpipes, per the Journal, which added that the label is “deceptive.”

Electric cars still use tires made from petroleum that create particle pollution as they wear..

Still, “this will not be something that stops electrification,” Nick Molden, the founder and CEO of Emissions Analytics, told The Post.

“You have a tradeoff. At the moment, the political agenda is very strong towards climate change reduction. EVs do deliver about a 50% reduction in CO2 — that [affects] climate change.”

“But you have this downside of EVs that increases particle pollution. Air pollution is about what we breathe and the health effects,” Molden said, assuring that the toxins in tires have much less impact on climate change than they do on “what we eat and are ingesting.”

“Tires are made up of a lot of nasty chemicals,” said Emissions Analytics chief Nick Molden. To combat the release of toxins as they wear, Molden said that tires need to be made of more sustainable materials.
AP
Increased exposure to these toxins “can increase the risk of health problems like heart disease, asthma, and low birth weight,” according to the New York Department of Health, which noted that pollution from sources including vehicle exhaust can travel long distances from its source and still cause health issues at unhealthy levels.

“A lot of it [chemicals] goes into the soil and water, affecting animals and fish. And we then go and eat the animals and fish, so we are ingesting tire pollution,” Molden added.

“Tires are made up of a lot of nasty chemicals.”

Molden said that “the best first thing” to do to address this problem is to “change the recipe, minimize a number of toxic chemicals in the tires — then you got the best of both worlds.

Even so, California’s air agency used a model that assumes electric and gas vehicles have the same amount of tire wear when analyzing the effects of the ban, according to the Journal.

Emissions Analytics found that brakes and tires on EVs release 1,850 times more particle pollution compared to modern tailpipes, which have “efficient” exhaust filters, bringing gas-powered vehicles’ emissions to new lows.

The public was quick to note the error, but the agency doubled down on its stance, saying it’s “speculative” to assume electric cars will always be heavier than their gasoline counterparts.

California’s Air Resources Board (CARB) insisted in its “Final Statement of Reasons for Rulemaking” that automakers could “offset” the weight of heavy batteries with “weight reduction in other components or the vehicle body,” though the agency didn’t specify how.

[Onebadcad]

As stated, most in here think Musk is a patriot, a good dood, but evS are BS, not what we are told, and are certainly NOT going to save our planet.
The big issue is we are being asked to abandon the second greatest invention that man has given us, the ICE.
First greatest invention is scotch, I hope you all knew that!!

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

https://nypost.com/2024/03/05/busine...ronment-study/

I didn't buy an PHEV to save the environment/planet...I couldn't care less. I bought it b/c it saves me about $4-500/month in gas.

[LATB]

Musk is our modern day Henry Ford. I think he is a strange dude but I have big respect because he is a doer.

[ZipZap]

This is like that whole Kelce/Taylor thing. All the libs think, for some reason, that I give a Flying F about any of that. Who "hates" Tesla?

Libs have gone to complaining about cons for things that don't exist outside of their own little Starbuck's circle. Being outraged at being gaslighted or trolled. And they think that they're the smart ones

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by SurfnSun

I didn't buy an PHEV to save the environment/planet...I couldn't care less. I bought it b/c it saves me about $4-500/month in gas.

Holy shit, how many miles do you drive in a month???

[ZipZap]

Originally Posted by LATB

Musk is our modern day Henry Ford. I think he is a strange dude but I have big respect because he is a doer.

Look, if the feds are going after you because you toked a doobie with Joe Rogan, you're doing something right

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

As stated, most in here think Musk is a patriot, a good dood, but evS are BS, not what we are told, and are certainly NOT going to save our planet.
The big issue is we are being asked to abandon the second greatest invention that man has given us, the ICE.
First greatest invention is scotch, I hope you all knew that!!

EVs aren't BS, they have a particular application where they reign just like race cars, semi's, etc etc. The saving the planet part is definitely BS...there is no such thing as saving the planet.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Holy shit, how many miles do you drive in a month???

Quite a bit, plus I had an SUV that got about 12 miles to the gallon in town and 18 on the hwy and burned premium. In 2021-22 my monthly has bill for the wife and I was about 7-800.

My Caddy gets 180-200mpg in town and 36mpg on the highway.

[Mike Mercury]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I certainly don't hate Tesla or Musk. I hate the .gov trying to force us to choose EVs

[Rob]

I am invested heavily in $TSLA and continue to stack on dips like today.

Once the pants-shitter-in-office is out the door, the moon is no longer a limit.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I certainly don't hate Tesla or Musk. I hate the .gov trying to force us to choose EVs, but that's not Tesla's or Musk's fault.

Musk seems to be a good dude, i don't care one way or another about Tesla. If I was going to buy an EV it would be a tesla, figured they have bugs worked out and ahead of the game.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Musk seems to be a good dude, i don't care one way or another about Tesla. If I was going to buy an EV it would be a tesla, figured they have bugs worked out and ahead of the game.

I love mine and cannot wait till I get the email that my Cybertruck is ready for pickup.

[SurfnSun]

Originally Posted by Rob

I love mine and cannot wait till I get the email that my Cybertruck is ready for pickup.

I firmly believe that most who hate have never driven one. It's not a perfect car for everything, but in central FL a 2020+ Model S will get you almost anywhere you're going to go for a one day round trip without charging.

[ZipZap]

A racing friend of mine had Tesla approach him for a review of the truck.

He lives in SoCal, so finding charging locations was not an issue.

His assessment is that it tows capably for a standard trailer. The range sucks. Maybe 150 miles between charges. He got to use the truck for a week or so.

So for me, it's cool, but no more useful than my C8.

[Kevin68]

We can appreciate him for his innovations, furthering free speech, and for investing (mostly) his own money in the process, but still criticize him for his rent seeking and questionable claims about helping the environment while mining rare earth metals and blasting a rocket into space once a week.

[Swany00]

I think the competition and innovation is amazing, the torque they put out is incredible. what I have an issue with is threatening my choice on what to drive while killing the ICE industry, force this shit down our throats is the problem. the gov needs to quit playing ****ing games with our lives