Trigger Alert: This Will Piss You Off

[higgyburners]

guy is a asshole....should be shot

[zsr22]

Was he disciplining his dog or tenderizing his dinner?

[CurtP]

Originally Posted by jw38

Bullshit. There is NEVER a time that physical discipline is needed to train or correct a dog. If you believe otherwise, you should never be allowed to own a dog. The only thing that physical discipline teaches a dog is fear. They have no conecpt of right and wrong. They only know what pleases them and what frightens them.

I have had a couple of behavioral problem rescues where positive reinforcement techniques did not work and had to do an Alpha roll. It was an absolute last resort move and I do not pin by the throat, but it is still a physical maneuver. I’ve had training on technique and it isn’t something I’d ever recommend for the inexperienced. And it’s always followed up with a lot of one-on-one time with positive reinforcement. It’s not something to be taken lightly and not applicable to most breeds (e.g., you’d never AR a Retriever).

I won’t watch the video.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by CurtP

I have had a couple of behavioral problem rescues where positive reinforcement techniques did not work and had to do an Alpha roll. It was an absolute last resort move and I do not pin by the throat, but it is still a physical maneuver. I’ve had training on technique and it isn’t something I’d ever recommend for the inexperienced. And it’s always followed up with a lot of one-on-one time with positive reinforcement. It’s not something to be taken lightly and not applicable to most breeds (e.g., you’d never AR a Retriever).

I won’t watch the video.

There's a significant difference between positive reinforcement and physical punishment. Positive reinforcement does not involve the infliction of pain or panic to elicit a response from the dog. It's a correction technique. Physical punishment inflicts pain and/or fear in a dog. With an Alpha roll, you're doing nothing more than placing a dog into a sitting or laying position, and then holding the dog in that position. It's not a painful or fearful tactic.

[Aerovette]

I politely disagree with the "no discipline" position.

Beating is wrong in any form, but I have used a fly swatter, or magazine, NOT to inflict pain, but to immediately stop a bad behavior. You have about 5 seconds or less and then it's too late.

It didn't hurt the dog, but it was not a "positive" experience.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

I politely disagree with the "no discipline" position.

Beating is wrong in any form, but I have used a fly swatter, or magazine, NOT to inflict pain, but to immediately stop a bad behavior. You have about 5 seconds or less and then it's too late.

It didn't hurt the dog, but it was not a "positive" experience.

It's not a "positive" experience. It may not hurt or cause physical harm to the dog, but it creates fear, and causing a dog to be fearful is not a way to discipline.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by jw38

Bullshit. There is NEVER a time that physical discipline is needed to train or correct a dog. If you believe otherwise, you should never be allowed to own a dog. The only thing that physical discipline teaches a dog is fear. They have no concept of right and wrong. They only know what pleases them and what frightens them.

Crate Training, No discipline and all on her own.

Bailey graduated from her first round of Puppy School and will start Intermediate in a few weeks.

None of our others over the years were crate trained as they were also rescues but around 1-2 yrs old when we got them. I had purchased this designer crate a couple years ago but never use it except to pile sht on.

So we take her everywhere but its nice to get out and with her at this age , she gets into alot and need to watch her constantly and would like to go out to dinner once in a while.

Well, a couple weeks ago, we just left the door open, put in a mat and some toys. She goes in & out on her own, lays down for a while or just sits there looking out the side, all while the door is wide open happy as a clam.

This is great! So, later on this week, we're going leave for a couple hours with the door closed, set my trail camera nearby up and see how she goes.

When she gets older, she'll have the run of the kitchen area when we're out just like all the others had.