The Latest Polls Are Out - Trump Sinking Further

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

Wait a second. You didn’t just copy and paste this from some LibTard chat forum, didja?

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

Jeff do you mind if I bookmark this and not ever get around to reading it later?

Not at all. ICGAFF

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

Ok.

I just now saw that this is from the New York Slimes.

I don’t recommend anyone read this drivel.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

*Tripe.

I meant to say tripe.

Not drivel.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Sea Six

Ok.

I just now saw that this is from the New York Slimes.

I don’t recommend anyone read this drivel.

Just showing why people have turned their noses up against Dump.
If you don't care to know why ? Oh well, you and the Dump campaign loses.
Keep LOSING !!

[Sea Six]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

BKMRK:

For L8R

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,



This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

I started reading from the bottom up and got as far as the bolded sentence.

What's funny is that the same NYT recently published and op-ed article urging Biden not to debate Trump because they know what will happen.

[Jeff '79]

Sea-Six.
Remember what happened the last time you didn't take your meds?
Please take them.
You CAN be a cool dude.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I started reading from the bottom up and got as far as the bolded sentence.

What's funny is that the same NYT recently published and op-ed article urging Biden not to debate Trump because they know what will happen.

You're loss

[Cybercowboy]

It's over folks, this time Trump is done for sure! He can't recover from these polls this time!

/watch and learn
wait
they never learn

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

I really don't care about your opinions of this article or its source.
This is EXACTLY what me and many fellow Americans, many of whom including me who voted for Trump, now feel.
You can talk up Trump til you're blue in the face, but he's out of my wheelhouse and no, I will not vote for him again.
btw... falsehoods means lies. If you read nothing, read the bolded part for the cliffs.

Have a nice read,

Over the course of 72 hours, President Donald Trump’s campaign accused Joe Biden of plagiarism. Trump warned that a Biden presidency would lead to a surge of crime in the streets. He tried to link his opponent to socialism and to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a leader of the Democratic left. And he said that Biden would eliminate the suburbs — and windows.

Facing weak poll numbers and criticism for failing to offer a second-term agenda or a cohesive case against Biden, the president is accelerating his attacks on his Democratic opponent — a sign of nervousness for any incumbent — as he looks for a way to turn the corner for his struggling candidacy. He has shaken up his campaign staff and intensified a tear-down operation aimed at Biden with a dizzying barrage of attacks, highlighted by dark, and at times misleading, television ads.

Deprived of his favored forum of raucous campaign rallies because of the coronavirus pandemic, Trump has road-tested his messages in the Rose Garden, at a staid appearance in Atlanta to announce rollbacks of environmental regulations and on Twitter, supplying an onslaught of scattershot and sometimes contradictory criticisms of the former vice president.

“It’s definitely a step in the right direction,” said Neil Newhouse, a Republican pollster. He noted that the contest had focused on the president’s record and conduct for months, and that the Trump campaign needed to begin “reminding people that this is a choice election, and beginning to frame up what that decision entails.”

Trump and his political team have tried new lines of attack before, including mocking Biden’s mental faculties, portraying him as corrupt and arguing that he is too cozy with China — none of which reversed Trump’s slide in the polls.

The president’s lack of discipline is a caution against any Republican hopes that this might be the start of a new chapter. The latest attacks on Biden may not work with undecided voters who have relatively positive views about him and his moderate political message, and are unhappy with Trump’s performance. The president's record of falsehoods, some strategists said, undercut his credibility with the American public over the past four years, and thus his ability to deliver effective criticism of Biden.

Aides to Trump said he has become increasingly aware of his peril and has leaned even more into the day-to-day operations of his campaign. The latest evidence of that was his decision Wednesday night to remove Brad Parscale as his campaign manager and to replace him with Bill Stepien, the deputy. Stepien is close to Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been put firmly at the helm of the reelection effort.

The new stance could represent a calculated effort by a campaign looking for a reset before it is too late. There is a long history of presidents using this period before Labor Day to set the framework of the race, and to negatively define their opponents; Trump has been under criticism from Republicans for his failure to do that.

The president’s actions this week drew some applause from Republicans who had grown despondent at the drift, and some party strategists expressed hope that this might one day be remembered as a turning point for Trump’s struggling campaign.

But there’s skepticism among Republicans and Democrats that Trump can reverse his troubled political trajectory. Beyond the overwhelming problems from the pandemic, the president lacks any kind of strategy to win over voters who are not already part of his right-wing base — or even, apparently, the will to do so — and his polarizing style has left him viewed unfavorably by much of the country, including in some traditionally Republican strongholds.

The broad and random nature of his attacks against Biden over the past few days suggest that Trump, unlike George H.W. Bush in 1988 and George W. Bush in 2004, has not engaged in the kind of methodical research that can identify the best lines of attack against an opponent. In Philadelphia this week, Trump ran television advertisements that accused Biden of both being soft on crime and being too tough on crime.

“If you go back to President Bush and President Obama, they effectively already had a bead on their opponent, a cleareyed strategy of what they were going to attack on, how they were going to frame it and how to make the election a binary choice,” said Rahm Emanuel, a Democrat who served as chief of staff to President Barack Obama and as mayor of Chicago. “That was a year and a half out. This is four months out. Trump is still trying to figure out how to get his handle on Joe Biden.”

Trump’s impulsive style of campaigning must be taken into account as well, strategists from both parties said.

“We shouldn’t overthink any of this as a strategy,” said Kevin Madden, who was a senior adviser to Mitt Romney, the Republican candidate for president in 2012. “It’s all the reflexive action of a candidate reacting to the hourly news cycle and trying to program it.”

Another indicator of Trump’s difficult path is the number of people who, in several polls, say the country is going in the right direction. That percentage is generally only in the high teens or just above 20%, numbers that reveal an unhappy electorate under Trump’s stewardship.

Trump’s newly intensified efforts to define Biden pose a strategic challenge to the Biden campaign in determining how — or if — to respond.

Biden’s aides and allies argued that Trump had so many vulnerabilities that he was limited in what kind of attacks he could make. They said they would be selective in deciding when to respond, looking for ways to advance their own message while trying to avoid elevating false claims.

“Donald Trump has spent his entire life depending on wild-eyed lies and asinine conspiracy theories to distract from his own failures and wrongdoing,” said Andrew Bates, a spokesman for Biden. “We starve Trump of the engagement that he wants and then pounce when he shows his underbelly.”

From this perspective, Trump has become so discredited with much of the American public that many of the attacks will come across as desperate.

“If you don’t know what sticks by now, it’s too late,” said Stephanie Cutter, a Democratic consultant who is helping to oversee the nominating convention for Biden. “When your opponent is throwing spaghetti to the wall to see what sticks, you don’t respond, you stick to your own strategy.”

“These attacks are not convincing for anybody on the fence,” she said. “For the Democratic base, and anybody on the fence who may have voted for Trump, these attacks are not what the race is about. It’s not about socialism, it’s not about defunding the police, it’s not about Bernie Sanders. It’s about moving this country away from the chaos and corruption of the last four years.”

But Democrats and Biden’s aides are well aware of the history of presidential candidates who ignored attacks they thought were specious and then lost the election — like John Kerry, in 2004, and Michael Dukakis, in 1988, both Democrats.

A claim that Biden supports efforts like those to defund the police, some Democrats said, could prove to be potent with at least a slice of voters and was worth watching, even though Biden has said repeatedly that he opposes defunding the police.

In recent weeks, two of Biden’s top advisers — Steve Ricchetti and Rep. Cedric Richmond of Louisiana — have set up Zoom meetings with Democratic congressional delegations in key battleground states. It’s an effort to open conversations with key leaders on the ground who can also serve as an early warning system if Trump’s attacks are getting traction, some participants said.

If necessary, Biden could move to rebut some of Trump’s attacks; he could also try to change the subject by mounting his new attacks on Trump, reflecting the adage in politics that a candidate who is defending is a candidate who is losing.

“They’re setting up very strong lines of communication,” said Rep. Debbie Dingell, D-Mich. “If somebody does get worried, they’re hearing it, paying attention. They were really clear about that: They want to have those lines of communication open.”

Dingell said she has warned the Biden campaign that the Trump campaign’s most searing attacks cannot go unanswered.

“He is clearly playing ads that are wedge issues, and we have to be prepared to answer them, which we didn’t four years ago,” she said, pointing to trade, an issue of particular importance to autoworkers in her state. “We’re doing better than I thought we might be at this point, but the election is still three months away and we have to be prepared.”

Biden’s team has been through clashes with Trump before — such as last fall, when the president laced into the former vice president’s son, Hunter, criticizing his work for a Ukrainian energy company. At the time, the campaign struggled to form a forceful response, paralyzed by indecision.

Since then, advisers and allies say, they have honed a playbook of sorts, reflecting a growing understanding of how to be nimble and challenge apresident who is capable of drawing significant attention to his slashing attacks.

The best approach, said Rep. Tim Ryan, D-Ohio, is, “kind of letting him flail around, but there’s always, within those tracks, opportunities to hit back. And I think they’ve been doing it.”

This article originally appeared in The New York Times.

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

It's over folks, this time Trump is done for sure! He can't recover from these polls this time!

/watch and learn
wait
they never learn

Just saying...
Anything is possible.

[Cybercowboy]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

Just saying...
Anything is possible.

It is. It's also possible that Ruth Bader Ginsburg is going to play for the Washington Orangeskins next year. It's also possible that Joe Biden might pop his head out of his basement long enough for the cleaners to hit the high spots, he makes quite a mess sorta like the homeless people they put into SanFran hotels. Have you seen those pictures? Yikes.

[Jeff '79]

Trumpfeld - YouTube

[Anjdog2003]

Definition of a He keeps resurrecting his threads.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Definition of a He keeps resurrecting his threads.

The latest polls are out and Dump is still down by as little as 8% and as much as 15% depending which sect is polled.
Besides, the spoof that I posted was funny..... The laugh tracks that were added cracked me up.
Now.... I wonder what the Executive Order on healthcare that he says he will sign is all about... That interests me in the biggest way.

[Olustee bus]

[QUOTE=Jeff '79;1784426]

"Trump is a lying POS...., but I'm not biased."

I have been wanting to see some examples of lies Trump has said. Got in substantiated examples?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Olustee bus

I have been wanting to see some examples of lies Trump has said. Got in substantiated examples?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/polit...ale/index.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidma.../#683b79841e17
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ims-1226-days/

Let me know if you need any more.

[Jeff '79]

[quote=Olustee bus;1787186]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

"Trump is a lying POS...., but I'm not biased."

I have been wanting to see some examples of lies Trump has said. Got in substantiated examples?

Here you go angry white old guy.

All Of President Donald Trump's Lies | The Last Word | MSNBC - YouTube

Donald Trump's Lies - YouTube

Adapting to Donald Trump's Lies: The Daily Show - YouTube

And I can go on.
Have you seriously been sleeping for the last 4 years ???