Healthcare Law ruled Unconstitutional

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by Scissors

Or take the pro-freedom route and let individuals address their individual needs and desires.

I always thought that's what *opt-in* & *opt-out* was ....

[thkauffman]

Originally Posted by Exotix

I always thought that's what *opt-in* & *opt-out* was ....

Uh, no. Either way, you're forced to buy some product or pay a penalty.

[Z06PDQ]

Originally Posted by Peter Pan

That is a bunch of BS in the State Of Texas, I have been selling Obamacare since 1998 and this does not happen here, maybe other states need to model what we have. Since I have been marketing and selling Obamacare Texas has a High Risk Pool for those with illness that will not be covered by a individual policy. If that individual has current coverage in force the Texas Health Risk Pool will cover the pre-x, if no coverage 1 year waiting period and this is fair as the Texas Tax Payers foot the bill here as the policy is administrated by Blue Cross Blue Shield (this gives individual a very large network of doctors to access).

If an individual in Texas wants immediate coverage they can get the National Health Care plan that is poor in benefits for both medical and drug coverage.

Seems Texas has been ahead of the curve atleast since 1998, and also reforms on what suits can bring against carriers, this has also helped keep premiums down.

With that being said Texas has the largest uninsured market in America, so even with no one being dropped or the option of going into the risk pool many Texans have decided against obtaining HC. So starting in 2014 many Texas will be paying a penalty if this bill is upheld. It is time for Texas to ask for a waiver as the state I live in already has the options needed today and going forward, we do not need the Federal Govt nosing in this States business

do you know anyone in our state without health insurance? I do. our "free" health care is a big ****ing joke. it's no wonder we have the largest uninsured market. BTW I will get a waiver. I'm a union member.

[Z06PDQ]

Originally Posted by thkauffman

Uh, no. Either way, you're forced to buy some product or pay a penalty.

we had a chance for Public Option, but nooooooo.

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by thkauffman

Uh, no. Either way, you're forced to buy some product or pay a penalty.

Yeah but you're Cancer Treatments of America is paid for as well as all other *brink of death* treatments and procedures as opposed to say, (R-Ariz.) Jan Brewers' Death Panels ...

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by thkauffman

Uh, no. Either way, you're forced to buy some product or pay a penalty.

Are you saying you have a choice when Health Care going up because of all the Free Emergency Care?

[Peter Pan]

Originally Posted by Z06PDQ

do you know anyone in our state without health insurance? I do. our "free" health care is a big ****ing joke. it's no wonder we have the largest uninsured market. BTW I will get a waiver. I'm a union member.

What those on Medicade, no it is a good program vs the National Healthcare plan, those above that level can buy there own as I did mention the options in our state and as a Tax Payer who is taxed enough already we do not need to give out more freebies

[Scissors]

Originally Posted by Exotix

I always thought that's what *opt-in* & *opt-out* was ....

So you don't understand the bill.

[73sbVert]

Originally Posted by Scissors

So you don't understand the bill.

No, that would require thinking beyond the tripe that reads at DU and Kos and HuffPo, and spews/regurgitates with such eloquence and feigned indignation.

Only the left is good. Anything from the right is evil and bad.


GMAFB.

[Exotix]

Originally Posted by Scissors

So you don't understand the bill.

It took me a couple of months to read it and of course a background in pre-law doesn't hurt ... so I can understand why right-wingers assume it as socialist/communist/national socialist fascist ...

... especially the part about individual mandate since 1993 ...

[ChasC5]

This argument is for 17% of Americans who are not insured. The other 73% can continue doing what they has always one.

[73sbVert]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

This argument is for 17% of Americans who are not insured. The other 73% can continue doing what they has always one.

Don't know where you are getting those numbers, but it's more like 17 million uninsured (out of ~330 million) which is closer to 5%. And even Pelosi said that this still would not cover all of them either.

None of this is about the "poor and downtrodden", this is about control of 17% of the country's economy.
Don't be stupid Chas.

And the rest of us that HAVE been responsible, and taken care of our own insurance, will be taking it in the shorts for all the other irresponsible people.

Why do you and CONgress feel it's somehow MY responsibility to purchase insurance for someone else?? That's complete and utter BS. Feck them. As has been mentioned before, NO ONE (not even that 5%) is without medical CARE, this is about lining pockets for the lawyers, and the unions and CONgress, and the lobbyists pushing this bullchit.

[ChasC5]

Thanks for making my case. So exactly, to the penny, how much has the Health Care Bill cost "you" personally?

And don't give me crap about what may happen decades from now.

[Z06PDQ]

**** a judge in Florida. the SCOTUS will be where the buck ultimately stops. if it is ruled unconstitutional so the **** what? are we going to continue to deny people health care for being "too skinny,too fat, too young,too old, too sick, blah ****ing blah? hell no we won't. if nothing else, we succeeded in calling attention to the absolute butt ****ing we have been getting from the assholes in the insurance monopoly for decades. **** those sorry sons of bitches & the lame ass horses they rode in on.

[leec4ce]

Originally Posted by Z06PDQ

**** a judge in Florida. the SCOTUS will be where the buck ultimately stops. if it is ruled unconstitutional so the **** what? are we going to continue to deny people health care for being "too skinny,too fat, too young,too old, too sick, blah ****ing blah? hell no we won't. if nothing else, we succeeded in calling attention to the absolute butt ****ing we have been getting from the assholes in the insurance monopoly for decades. **** those sorry sons of bitches & the lame ass horses they rode in on.

[mrvette]

Originally Posted by Z06PDQ

**** a judge in Florida. the SCOTUS will be where the buck ultimately stops. if it is ruled unconstitutional so the **** what? are we going to continue to deny people health care for being "too skinny,too fat, too young,too old, too sick, blah ****ing blah? hell no we won't. if nothing else, we succeeded in calling attention to the absolute butt ****ing we have been getting from the assholes in the insurance monopoly for decades. **** those sorry sons of bitches & the lame ass horses they rode in on.

What percentage of overall gross income is taken home as profit to the stockholders for the typical health insurance company?? and somehow you think that's not going to be pissed away with some OVERpaid .gov worker making a typical 2x as much as others doing similar work??......

I went to the ER with a diavertriulosis (sp), irritated guts, diagnosis, shit blood just before Christmas over a year ago.....4 hours, and sent home....

5500 bux......bullshit, 5500 bux for 4 HOURS?? Shit, in '80 I had surgery in overnight for two nights, bill was covered by insurance....some 12,000 bux that was in DC region too.....

so does THAT show you the true costs of all the damn freeloaders?? illegals and their spawn, and others with 8 kids?? all on AFDC, housing, stamps, etc.....

I think it's funny how they pay for shit in the food stores here, looks like a CC through the machine, then they whip out cash for the rest, beer-smokes whatever......then load into a newer car anything newer is about 20 grand....
I just drive my '72 vette.....worth maybe 1/2 that.....

and somehow I"m supposed to feel SORRY for them.....??

illegals are 15-20% of the population, bet on that, they outnumber blacks ....by official stats.....IMO blacks are 25% of the population not 15%....

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by Scissors

Damn activist judges legislating from the bench.
/crazytalk

So in all actuality, this ruling is as it should be. There is nothing Constitutional or even right about the government forcing people to purchase anything. Even expanding Medicare to cover everyone would be closer to being constitutional than this aspect of health care reform was.

I was listening to Mitt Romney on the View a couple of days ago, and was really impressed with his answers. Obviously they tried to pin him down on the "well, but MA has mandated health care" and he was real quick to point out that that's the way it's supposed to work. The states have the power to do things like that, not the fed. He pointed out that the plan MA put in place may not work in other states, and thus each state should be able to decide if and how they want to handle it. He pointed out that the Constitution was designed that way, etc.

Whoopi then tried to pin him down about how "don't you think that sometimes the Constitution needs to change to evolve with the times". His response was just about perfect. He said that the beauty of the Constitution is that it was designed to do exactly that. Given that there's no provisions in it for the federal government to mandate health care the way they did, the way to do that is through the Constitutional methods therein defined. Namely, you amend it as opposed to trying to do a legislative end around.

Personally, I don't think the federal government should be in the health care business, certainly not like what was done. I agree with him though, if the federal government thinks they need to be, then they should proceed with getting an Amendment. If they get it, then the mandate is clear that they can and should proceed. It's too bad that his explanations were completely lost on the folks on the View, and likely will be lost on a significant number of the folks on this forum.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by prospero63

I was listening to Mitt Romney on the View a couple of days ago, and was really impressed with his answers. Obviously they tried to pin him down on the "well, but MA has mandated health care" and he was real quick to point out that that's the way it's supposed to work. The states have the power to do things like that, not the fed. He pointed out that the plan MA put in place may not work in other states, and thus each state should be able to decide if and how they want to handle it. He pointed out that the Constitution was designed that way, etc.

Whoopi then tried to pin him down about how "don't you think that sometimes the Constitution needs to change to evolve with the times". His response was just about perfect. He said that the beauty of the Constitution is that it was designed to do exactly that. Given that there's no provisions in it for the federal government to mandate health care the way they did, the way to do that is through the Constitutional methods therein defined. Namely, you amend it as opposed to trying to do a legislative end around.

Personally, I don't think the federal government should be in the health care business, certainly not like what was done. I agree with him though, if the federal government thinks they need to be, then they should proceed with getting an Amendment. If they get it, then the mandate is clear that they can and should proceed. It's too bad that his explanations were completely lost on the folks on the View, and likely will be lost on a significant number of the folks on this forum.

Question, do you believe in the Democratic Process?

If so, should the American People be able to vote, Yes or No for the Health Care Bill? After that, "everyone" should accept the majority vote and STFU.

Do you agree?

I say, if the American People say no to the Health Care Bill, my life will not change one bit. In addition, if the American People say yes to the Health Care Bill, my life will not change one bit.

[prospero63]

Originally Posted by ChasC5

Question, do you believe in the Democratic Process?

Sure I do. But you understand we aren't a democracy, right? We are a Republic.

If so, should the American People be able to vote, Yes or No for the Health Care Bill? After that, "everyone" should accept the majority vote and STFU.

Do you agree?

No, that I don't agree with. That's not the system of government we have at the federal level. At the state and below, folks vote directly on things like this. But at the federal level, that's not how it works. Besides, that's not what happened here. No one voted yes or no for the health care bill.

I say, if the American People say no to the Health Care Bill, my life will not change one bit. In addition, if the American People say yes to the Health Care Bill, my life will not change one bit.

I think that's naive. Regardless of how folks vote, your life will change. Everything is connected. That's the way it goes. Doesn't mean change is good, doesn't mean change is bad, it's just what it is.

[ChasC5]

Originally Posted by prospero63

Sure I do. But you understand we aren't a democracy, right? We are a Republic.



No, that I don't agree with. That's not the system of government we have at the federal level. At the state and below, folks vote directly on things like this. But at the federal level, that's not how it works. Besides, that's not what happened here. No one voted yes or no for the health care bill.



I think that's naive. Regardless of how folks vote, your life will change. Everything is connected. That's the way it goes. Doesn't mean change is good, doesn't mean change is bad, it's just what it is.

When did the US become a Republic? Link please on the official announcement.

Ok so you say the State will decide who in America gets coverage. The I say, the Government should decide who get assistance at the next disaster. And I want those F'en State if give back the Federal Assistance NOW!

My insurance is more than adequate; thank you and I have no problem paying more to help out my fellow Americans.