The next time a person tells me their 1/2 ton gasser tows great..

[Y2Kvert4me]

Originally Posted by Drew M

Oh. Meh. I still feel a truck's towing ability is only as good as it's suspension. (Leaf springs suck)

Tires are always the weakest link.

More tires = more capacity.

[Montehall]

I think the driver is the weakest link.

[LATB]

this thread is fukin awesome

now that the big dogs have established that their deisel trucks are far superior and their dicks are bigger...

they now argue with each other over dually's...and tires...and suspensions...

[Montehall]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

this thread is fukin awesome

now that the big dogs have established that their deisel trucks are far superior and their dicks are bigger...

they now argue with each other over dually's...and tires...and suspensions...

somebody drives a Ranger.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Montehall

somebody drives a Ranger.

nope

Tacoma double cab 4x4

awesome truck for my current needs.

[C5Nate]

Originally Posted by Montehall

here's a fun observation... 3/4 ton and 1-ton trucks have the same towing capacities.
Dually's actually offer less towing capacity, since the heavier axle consumes a greater portion of the GVWR.

Originally Posted by Montehall

if you exclude the towing capacity remark... I'm correct.

Really? How?


2011 Silverado 2500HD available on select models.
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Starting MSRP: $28,315
As Shown: $44,060
Horsepower: 397 hp
Max Towing: 17,800 lbs
Max Payload: 4,192 lbs
Torque: 765 ft lbs
MPG: N/A
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2011 Silverado 3500HD available on select models.
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Starting MSRP: $28,805
As Shown: $44,945
Horsepower: 397 hp
Max Towing: 21,700 lbs
Max Payload: 6,635 lbs
Torque: 765 ft lbs
MPG: N/A

[C5Nate]

Originally Posted by Drew M

I never understood the purpose of a dually, except maybe to have an extra 2 wheels for traction in the mud.

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

Increased weight carrying capacity (2 more tires to spread the load), increased stability (wider track) and an added margin of safety in the event of a blow-out.

Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me

Tires are always the weakest link.

More tires = more capacity.

Correct.

It spreads the load out across 4 tires rather than just 2. Less friction, less heat.

[C5Nate]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

this thread is fukin awesome

now that the big dogs have established that their deisel trucks are far superior and their dicks are bigger...

they now argue with each other over dually's...and tires...and suspensions...

Why the obsession with dicks?

[Montehall]

Originally Posted by C5Nate

Really? How?


2011 Silverado 2500HD available on select models.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Starting MSRP: $28,315
As Shown: $44,060
Horsepower: 397 hp
Max Towing: 17,800 lbs
Max Payload: 4,192 lbs
Torque: 765 ft lbs
MPG: N/A
----------------------------------------------------------------

2011 Silverado 3500HD available on select models.
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Starting MSRP: $28,805
As Shown: $44,945
Horsepower: 397 hp
Max Towing: 21,700 lbs
Max Payload: 6,635 lbs
Torque: 765 ft lbs
MPG: N/A

doesn't matter. I was wrong, just trying to save face. failed.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by C5Nate

Why the obsession with dicks?

it's a cliche'...don't read more into it than it is.

[Fastguy]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

Increased weight carrying capacity (2 more tires to spread the load), increased stability (wider track) and an added margin of safety in the event of a blow-out.

Used to do about 30,000 miles a season with a Chevy crew cab dually and a 36' tag along. Occasionally we had to borrow a truck if we were fixing the dually and the difference between a dually and a single is considerable.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Gozar

Let's try it this way:

If the load is around 6k lbs

Tows Great = 1/2 ton

Then what word best describes what a diesel tow like? Fantastic?

Keeping in mind that both my Suburban and truck have basically the same exact frame, brakes, etc... difference being the engine/transmission combination.

Towing the same load with both of them there is a night and day difference.

And what would towing with this be?



Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

Tow with a big dually and get back to me about how "great" your truck is.

This was a stupid nutswinging discussion from the start. I will never understand the "mine is better" mentality that for some reason seems to consume people on the internet.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Fastguy

...the difference between a dually and a single is considerable.

The difference between a dually and a single in the overall towing experience with a large trailer is almost as big as the difference between gas and diesel. Even more if you are on mostly flat terrain. When you start considering 5th wheel trailers etc, and get into REAL towing, I want a big dually. Period.

Again, right truck for the job. Sometimes a 1/2 ton gas will do it, sometimes a 3/4 gas or diesel is more than enough, sometimes you need to go for the dually, ... sometimes you need the big Kenworth.

Everybody has their own needs with a truck. Trying to throw a blanket statement over who should buy what is stupid.

[Millenium Vette]

Originally Posted by datawiz

You nutswingers still going at this debate?

Originally Posted by Gozar

I didn't read all 3 pages of this dick-slingin', nut-swinging half-ton shit, so I appoligize to Gozar if somebody already said it, but the only thing this brought to mind was the fact that ANY rig that Gozar is rolling would technically be a "Gasser".

[NB2K]

Originally Posted by Cobra4B

It's amazing how many people confuse them or have no understanding. I've had multiple people tell me the GVWR on the door jamb sticker on a vehicle was the curb weight.

RV people are worse about this than the causal trailer-towing numbnuts.

38' gas RV loaded down with 8 people plus gear plus water and fuel plus using a Suburban as a toad (which is also loaded to the max).

What a mess.

[Gozar]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

And what would towing with this be?



Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?

Tow with a big dually and get back to me about how "great" your truck is.

This was a stupid nutswinging discussion from the start. I will never understand the "mine is better" mentality that for some reason seems to consume people on the internet.

Fug an A that would be better. But again you failed to acknowledge any of the other things I have said. You pick what you want.


This wasn't a "mine is better" discussion. This was a 1/2 ton gasser vs 3/4 ton diesel discussion.

I have owned both. I own a gasser now too. So why is it a "mine is better" discussion at all? I said diesel is better and really doesn't cost much more overall and some could argue they are cheaper in the long run when all things are considered.

[Gozar]

Originally Posted by NB2K

RV people are worse about this than the causal trailer-towing numbnuts.

38' gas RV loaded down with 8 people plus gear plus water and fuel plus using a Suburban as a toad (which is also loaded to the max).

What a mess.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Gozar

I had 7 people to carry this time and two rottweilers.

One other question... you don't think that perhaps having the weight of 7 people, 2 large dogs, and all of the crap that 7 people bring along for a trip might account for some of the difference here?

No, I am not saying that the Suburban tows as good as the diesel, but a thousand plus additional pounds makes a noticeable difference on a 3/4 ton truck no matter what engine is in it.

[Gozar]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Again, right truck for the job. Sometimes a 1/2 ton gas will do it, sometimes a 3/4 gas or diesel is more than enough, sometimes you need to go for the dually, ... sometimes you need the big Kenworth.

Completely agree.

Everybody has their own needs with a truck. Trying to throw a blanket statement over who should buy what is stupid.

I never told anyone what to buy. I just said there is no comparison between the two which is true especially in the hills/mountains.

I also base the value discussion on the $6800 price difference I paid for the Duramax/Allison combo.

[Gozar]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

One other question... you don't think that perhaps having the weight of 7 people, 2 large dogs, and all of the crap that 7 people bring along for a trip might account for some of the difference here?

No, I am not saying that the Suburban tows as good as the diesel, but a thousand plus additional pounds makes a noticeable difference on a 3/4 ton truck no matter what engine is in it.

Completely agree again. I did base my original thought when I towed the boat back from storage and I was by myself.

On flat ground the gasser does a pretty good job but my mileage this weekend sucked. Not that I purchased it for fuel economy but I get about 6-7 miles to the gallon better with the diesel towing.