Francis Scott Key Bridge Collapses !

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by StudleyJames

The video is 8x speed
Kinda gives you a different perspective doesn't it?

https://twitter.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/...lapses-11.html

Wow. The speed difference makes it look like they steered right in to it on purpose. I notice black smoke like it's at full throttle rollin' coal.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by LATB

I bet that 45-47 years ago when the bridge was built there were more competent ship captains and harbor pilots. So they didn’t need idiot guards.

I know you like the DEI theory, but what could any competent ship captain have done differently with a complete loss of all power?

I know what a complete loss of all power would have done in a nuclear sub, and it wasn't a pretty thing.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

I know you like the DEI theory, but what could any competent ship captain have done differently with a complete loss of all power?

I know what a complete loss of all power would have done in a nuclear sub, and it wasn't a pretty thing.

Look at the video in post 181. It sure looks like the pilot made a starboard turn before the power went out.

[vettemed]

Originally Posted by LATB

Look at the video in post 181. It sure looks like the pilot made a starboard turn before the power went out.

Just because the lights were still on does not mean everything was hunky-dory.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by vettemed

Just because the lights were still on does not mean everything was hunky-dory.

Correct. Everything went black, meaning total loss of power. The lights came back on, likely on a backup emergency generator, which wouldn't give the ship propulsion or steering. There could have been wind or strong currents pushing the ship, and the rudder may have failed in a hard turn position. Lots of things could have caused it. I've been involved in a few Root Cause Analyses for serious incidents, and the root cause is almost never what people think right after it happened.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by vettemed

Just because the lights were still on does not mean everything was hunky-dory.

I don’t disagree. But will we trust the investigation.
What’s to say that the power failure wasn’t sabotage to cover the poor piloting.
Maybe the helmsman knew that the starboard move was too soon and the collision was inevitable.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Correct. Everything went black, meaning total loss of power. The lights came back on, likely on a backup emergency generator, which wouldn't give the ship propulsion or steering. There could have been wind or strong currents pushing the ship, and the rudder may have failed in a hard turn position. Lots of things could have caused it. I've been involved in a few Root Cause Analyses for serious incidents, and the root cause is almost never what people think right after it happened.

I agree. But it sure looks like the ship was on the west edge of the channel on the approach.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by LATB

I agree. But it sure looks like the ship was on the west edge of the channel on the approach.

Possibly, although the channel might not be in the exact center of that bridge section. An investigation and determination of the root cause of something like this isn't easy or quick.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Correct. Everything went black, meaning total loss of power. The lights came back on, likely on a backup emergency generator, which wouldn't give the ship propulsion or steering. There could have been wind or strong currents pushing the ship, and the rudder may have failed in a hard turn position. Lots of things could have caused it. I've been involved in a few Root Cause Analyses for serious incidents, and the root cause is almost never what people think right after it happened.

I would think the current would be stronger the closer you got to the center of the channel, and if the ship is 1,000 feet long, then the current at the bow must have been stronger than that at the stern. That certainly makes sense as a contributing factor.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Possibly, although the channel might not be in the exact center of that bridge section. An investigation and determination of the root cause of something like this isn't easy or quick.

I literally have run a boat under that bridge. And at night. And that navigation channel is freaking huge wide. Those cargo ships could pilot under the bridge going sideways.

I believe the pilot missed the mark. And I also know that we will never know the truth.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

I would think the current would be stronger the closer you got to the center of the channel, and if the ship is 1,000 feet long, then the current at the bow must have been stronger than that at the stern. That certainly makes sense as a contributing factor.

The oil slick in the water indicates the ship was going up stream/against current. That would push the bow to one side or the other.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by LATB

And I also know that we will never know the truth.

It must suck to go through life trusting nobody.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

It must suck to go through life trusting nobody.

I trust momma. No one else. I used to think there were good guys and bad guys in our government. Now I realize there are bad guys and worse guys.

[04 commemorative]

Trust but verify

[Loco Vette]

Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries

*marine bollards! Coulda saved the bridge!

*port rocks

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

It must suck to go through life trusting nobody.

I do not trust any government investigating agency. And I certainly don’t trust the media to hold them accountable.

[LATB]

Hell we still don’t have the facts from the shooting that happened a year ago today by the transgender mental case.
Or the one at the gay club in Miami by the Muslim terrorist.

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by LATB

I literally have run a boat under that bridge. And at night. And that navigation channel is freaking huge wide. Those cargo ships could pilot under the bridge going sideways.

I believe the pilot missed the mark. And I also know that we will never know the truth.

How big was your boat Mr. Expert?

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by LATB

I bet that 45-47 years ago when the bridge was built there were more competent ship captains and harbor pilots. So they didn’t need idiot guards.

45 years ago we didn't have the terrorist threats that we have now. A fully loaded ship full commandeered by terrorists, intentionally steered into a bridge pier during rush hour traffic...

And unlike an airliner, the perpetrators could haul ass away in a fast boat.

[slewfoot]

The odds of those getting caught here in the US are 99.9% unlike most other countries where they simply vanish like a fart in the wind