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Old 01-28-2016, 6:53pm   #41
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Kasich has a plan to balance the budget in ten years. Imagine what he and Ryan could do for our economy if they got the chance to work together. I believe Bush has a similar plan.

If Trump wants to be President, make him prove himself as Mayor of New York first, or Governor. I've got to be making sense to some of you, right..?
Kasich is a place-holder to get Jeb! through the primaries as a winner without actually winning any given state. So was Graham, but he had to pack it in when it was just utterly obvious. Jeb! was supposed to get 3rd or 4th place in the first several primaries, and the way it is constructed now a breakout candidate will be thwarted by the delegate-assigning rules they have in place (they change midway through.) Kasich was supposed to do well enough in Ohio to keep a breakout candidate from moving in on Jeb! as he plodded along picking up 3rd place, but nailing down delegates.

Kasich has the same chance as I do of being nominated. And he has since June. Christie is also a placeholder, as was that guy from New York that threw in the towel recently (Pataki), the GOPe changed the rules of the primaries specifically to get Jeb! elected. They just didn't count on Trump or it would have worked, totally worked.
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Kasich has a plan to balance the budget in ten years. Imagine what he and Ryan could do for our economy if they got the chance to work together. I believe Bush has a similar plan.

If Trump wants to be President, make him prove himself as Mayor of New York first, or Governor. I've got to be making sense to some of you, right..?
I know how you feel that Trump hasn't "said" anything. My parents feel this way(party loyal dems) despite rather specific things related to muslim immigration and the mexican wall/fence border protection, graduated tax reform plan especially related to our high corporate tax rate here which has lead to a few corporate inversions recently. Trump specifically said that he thinks hedge fund managers who make 500 mill a year should pay more. The recent statement about big Govt. negotiating with drug companies on pricing to get a "better deal" shows what he has said. To me it's not nothing. I do understand that to democrats it's nothing.
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Also note that in these Fox debates, Fox brought in Bill Sammon to craft the questions:

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HOWARD KURTZ: You’ve been to this rodeo before. How do you and Megyn Kelly and Bret Baier and Chris Wallace go about formulating your questions knowing the candidates are going to try to pivot to their talking points?

CHRIS STIREWALT: Well, the first thing is we have a secret weapon and that is Bill Sammon, who is the best at not only team cohesion and keeping everybody on point about what the point is, but in crafting the questions.
Who is Fox News VP Bill Sammon? Well, his daughter Brooke Sammon is Marko Rubio's Press Secretary.

So...
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But when he speaks, he doesn't say anything; which should tell you something about what's in his mind.

Has anyone here actually looked at any of the governor candidates? And I don't mean the debates, they're nonsense. Have you actually explored what any of them are proposing? Or are you just taking in all the force-fed Trump crap?
He says plenty, but you have to bother listening to him.

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TAX REFORM THAT WILL MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

The Goals Of Donald J. Trump’s Tax Plan

Too few Americans are working, too many jobs have been shipped overseas, and too many middle class families cannot make ends meet. This tax plan directly meets these challenges with four simple goals:

Tax relief for middle class Americans: In order to achieve the American dream, let people keep more money in their pockets and increase after-tax wages.
Simplify the tax code to reduce the headaches Americans face in preparing their taxes and let everyone keep more of their money.
Grow the American economy by discouraging corporate inversions, adding a huge number of new jobs, and making America globally competitive again.
Doesn’t add to our debt and deficit, which are already too large.
The Trump Tax Plan Achieves These Goals

If you are single and earn less than $25,000, or married and jointly earn less than $50,000, you will not owe any income tax. That removes nearly 75 million households – over 50% – from the income tax rolls. They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, “I win,” those who would otherwise owe income taxes will save an average of nearly $1,000 each.
All other Americans will get a simpler tax code with four brackets – 0%, 10%, 20% and 25% – instead of the current seven. This new tax code eliminates the marriage penalty and the Alternative Minimum Tax (AMT) while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II.
No business of any size, from a Fortune 500 to a mom and pop shop to a freelancer living job to job, will pay more than 15% of their business income in taxes. This lower rate makes corporate inversions unnecessary by making America’s tax rate one of the best in the world.
No family will have to pay the death tax. You earned and saved that money for your family, not the government. You paid taxes on it when you earned it.
The Trump Tax Plan Is Revenue Neutral

The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

Reducing or eliminating most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich.
A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate, followed by an end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad.
Reducing or eliminating corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.

DETAILS OF DONALD J. TRUMP’S TAX PLAN

America needs a bold, simple and achievable plan based on conservative economic principles. This plan does that with needed tax relief for all Americans, especially the working poor and middle class, pro-growth tax reform for all sizes of businesses, and fiscally responsible steps to ensure this plan does not add to our enormous debt and deficit.

This plan simplifies the tax code by taking nearly 50% of current filers off the income tax rolls entirely and reducing the number of tax brackets from seven to four for everyone else. This plan also reduces or eliminates loopholes used by the very rich and special interests made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rates on individuals and companies.

The Trump Tax Plan: A Simpler Tax Code For All Americans

When the income tax was first introduced, just one percent of Americans had to pay it. It was never intended as a tax most Americans would pay. The Trump plan eliminates the income tax for over 73 million households. 42 million households that currently file complex forms to determine they don’t owe any income taxes will now file a one page form saving them time, stress, uncertainty and an average of $110 in preparation costs. Over 31 million households get the same simplification and keep on average nearly $1,000 of their hard-earned money.

For those Americans who will still pay the income tax, the tax rates will go from the current seven brackets to four simpler, fairer brackets that eliminate the marriage penalty and the AMT while providing the lowest tax rate since before World War II:

Income Tax Rate Long Term Cap Gains/ Dividends Rate Single Filers Married Filers Heads of Household
0% 0% $0 to $25,000 $0 to $50,000 $0 to $37,500
10% 0% $25,001 to $50,000 $50,001 to $100,000 $37,501 to $75,000
20% 15% $50,001 to $150,000 $100,001 to $300,000 $75,001 to $225,000
25% 20% $150,001 and up $300,001 and up $225,001 and up
With this huge reduction in rates, many of the current exemptions and deductions will become unnecessary or redundant. Those within the 10% bracket will keep all or most of their current deductions. Those within the 20% bracket will keep more than half of their current deductions. Those within the 25% bracket will keep fewer deductions. Charitable giving and mortgage interest deductions will remain unchanged for all taxpayers.

Simplifying the tax code and cutting every American’s taxes will boost consumer spending, encourage savings and investment, and maximize economic growth.

Business Tax Reform To Encourage Jobs And Spur Economic Growth

Too many companies – from great American brands to innovative startups – are leaving America, either directly or through corporate inversions. The Democrats want to outlaw inversions, but that will never work. Companies leaving is not the disease, it is the symptom. Politicians in Washington have let America fall from the best corporate tax rate in the industrialized world in the 1980’s (thanks to Ronald Reagan) to the worst rate in the industrialized world. That is unacceptable. Under the Trump plan, America will compete with the world and win by cutting the corporate tax rate to 15%, taking our rate from one of the worst to one of the best.

This lower tax rate cannot be for big business alone; it needs to help the small businesses that are the true engine of our economy. Right now, freelancers, sole proprietors, unincorporated small businesses and pass-through entities are taxed at the high personal income tax rates. This treatment stifles small businesses. It also stifles tax reform because efforts to reduce loopholes and deductions available to the very rich and special interests end up hitting small businesses and job creators as well. The Trump plan addresses this challenge head on with a new business income tax rate within the personal income tax code that matches the 15% corporate tax rate to help these businesses, entrepreneurs and freelancers grow and prosper.

These lower rates will provide a tremendous stimulus for the economy – significant GDP growth, a huge number of new jobs and an increase in after-tax wages for workers.

The Trump Tax Plan Ends The Unfair Death Tax

The death tax punishes families for achieving the American dream. Therefore, the Trump plan eliminates the death tax.

The Trump Tax Plan Is Fiscally Responsible

The Trump tax cuts are fully paid for by:

Reducing or eliminating deductions and loopholes available to the very rich, starting by steepening the curve of the Personal Exemption Phaseout and the Pease Limitation on itemized deductions. The Trump plan also phases out the tax exemption on life insurance interest for high-income earners, ends the current tax treatment of carried interest for speculative partnerships that do not grow businesses or create jobs and are not risking their own capital, and reduces or eliminates other loopholes for the very rich and special interests. These reductions and eliminations will not harm the economy or hurt the middle class. Because the Trump plan introduces a new business income rate within the personal income tax code, they will not harm small businesses either.
A one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate. Since we are making America’s corporate tax rate globally competitive, it is only fair that corporations help make that move fiscally responsible. U.S.-owned corporations have as much as $2.5 trillion in cash sitting overseas. Some companies have been leaving cash overseas as a tax maneuver. Under this plan, they can bring their cash home and put it to work in America while benefitting from the newly-lowered corporate tax rate that is globally competitive and no longer requires parking cash overseas. Other companies have cash overseas for specific business units or activities. They can leave that cash overseas, but they will still have to pay the one-time repatriation fee.
An end to the deferral of taxes on corporate income earned abroad. Corporations will no longer be allowed to defer taxes on income earned abroad, but the foreign tax credit will remain in place because no company should face double taxation.
Reducing or eliminating some corporate loopholes that cater to special interests, as well as deductions made unnecessary or redundant by the new lower tax rate on corporations and business income. We will also phase in a reasonable cap on the deductibility of business interest expenses.
Political promises that will go nowhere if Trump is elected? I am willing to take that chance as opposed to all these establishment hacks who have proven that they take change nowhere. Paul Ryan is just one example.
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Political promises that will go nowhere if Trump is elected? I am willing to take that chance as opposed to all these establishment hacks who have proven that they take change nowhere. Paul Ryan is just one example.
Paul Ryan gave Obama every single thing he wanted in the last budget bill, including the store.
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Who needs a debate..
He never said that. He was quoting what an article said about him.
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Fox was also inviting a Mexican that hates Trump and a Muslim that hates Trump to the debate to ask questions.
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Paul Ryan gave Obama every single thing he wanted in the last budget bill, including the store.
Yes he did, which proves everything he ever said about fiscal responsibility was bullshit. I can't stand the prick.
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The reason Paul Ryan got the Speaker is due to giving the best BJs around for both D and R.
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Paul Ryan gave Obama every single thing he wanted in the last budget bill, including the store.
Not everything, but he didn't really have much choice, thanks to Ted Cruz. Another government shutdown would have handed the Presidency and a bunch of Congressional seats to the Democrats.
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Former governors.
Kasich and Christie are currently in their second terms.
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He says plenty, but you have to bother listening to him.

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Political promises that will go nowhere if Trump is elected? I am willing to take that chance as opposed to all these establishment hacks who have proven that they take change nowhere. Paul Ryan is just one example.
I've not read the tax plan, but I've heard some commentary, it's not substantially different than anyone else's, not particularly innovative or original.
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Kasich has the same chance as I do of being nominated.
I don't understand most of your post, but as far as Kasich goes: Without Ohio, the Republicans have about a zero chance of winning. Imagine a Kasich/Rubio ticket; that's a nearly 100% chance to win.

Y'all enjoy the rest of your evening, I'm out...
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My opinion: Kasich/Rubio might be a winning combo...but I doubt it. To the voters, that team will sound like just more of the same old-same old. Voters, both Democrat and Republican, are very upset with the way government is being run, hence the popularity of Trump and Sanders. A "traditional" slate of candidates (Kasich/Rubio or Hillary/Whomever) will just keep more people away from the voting precint and feeling like the Country is out of their control.

Voters don't understand why Muslims are being welcomed into our Country and coddled by our Government when they openly avow to control our Country. They don't understand why the tide of illegal immigrants isn't being stemmed when these immigrants care nothing for and contribute nothing to our Country, but they love its benefits, all provided by our money.

To voters, everything has gotten out of their control, and their opinions don't matter anymore. Voters are merely expected to fund the Government and its misguided waste and policies. We have a $20T deficet that Government doesn't worry about and instead keeps blithley increasing without the least bit concern.

I can see why certain candidates have appeal. It may sound ludicrous, but this Country is on the verge of having the Democrat Party nominating a Socialist for President. Sanders leads Hillary in the initial primaries. Just...wow! And Trump is behind Sanders in support. That's how desperate voters are.
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but he got weekends off, so there's that.
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I don't understand most of your post, but as far as Kasich goes: Without Ohio, the Republicans have about a zero chance of winning. Imagine a Kasich/Rubio ticket; that's a nearly 100% chance to win.

Y'all enjoy the rest of your evening, I'm out...
They are counting on you not understanding. I will be happy to expand on it if you are curious.
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It's not "balls", it's lack of brains. I won't vote for him, he's an unqualified, ill-tempered, loud-mouth, know-it-all, just like what we have now. You guys can vote for this idiot, ex-game show host if you want...

This is going to be a cluster-****...
If he is the Republican candidate, will you vote Democrat?
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Can't Stump the Trump.

Trump wins the debate he didn't even attend.

CNN spent the hour leading up to the Trumptacular 4 Troops event singing Trump's praises and marveling at his brilliance.

FOX News played a TON of video clips of Ted Cruz showing he's a liar during the debate. (Same for Rubio, although only Cruz appears to be a threat to Trump ATM).

Cruz and Rubio have been knifing each-other all night, while Rand Paul knifes them both and Chris Christie scolds them both.

Jeb Bush actually looked like a passable candidate and somewhat resolute in the absence of Donald Trump clowning him all evening, which hurts the other establishment lane candidates in New Hampshire.

The last 2 winners of Iowa willingly let Trump use them as pawns and showed up to his even, standing on stage smiling while Trump stood behind a TRUMP 4 TROOPS podium.
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I've not read the tax plan, but I've heard some commentary, it's not substantially different than anyone else's, not particularly innovative or original.
On a similar note, I heard that Mitt Romney didn't pay his taxes.

I groaned when Donald Trump announced that he was entering the race. Just the fact he had a TV reality show where he and his kids sat in that fake boardroom being perfect and cutting down the contestants was enough to make me puke let alone him running some fake ass presidential campaign.

I came to the conclusion that I was wrong about Trump's campaign and his motives after he had been doing it a couple of months. He is the most genuine candidate I have seen in a long time. He doesn't give canned political speeches where he reads from a teleprompter. He may have a few notes, but instead of a speech he talks to the audience. He is great at connecting to his audience and comes across as genuine and sincere.

I believe him when he says we are going to make America great again. I don't think he would put this much effort into it if his intentions were less than sincere.
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