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Old 02-15-2021, 8:13pm   #1
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Weather's bad and they have to revert back to coal and gas for electric due to cold and snow.

Green is not a good choice to completely rely on

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Achtung Baby! (It's Cold Outside) – Germany's "Green" Energy Fail Rescued By Coal And Gas
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Via 21stCenturyWire.com,

Barely a week after Davos luminaries met with world leaders and Silicon Valley oligarchs to plot their latest phase of the Great Reset, the underlying provenance of their entire ‘climate emergency’ thesis is still struggling to correspond with reality.

Their much-celebrated “Zero Carbon” agenda which virtue-signaling leaders like Justin Trudeau, Boris Johnson and Joe Biden are currently advocating for – is proving to be a lot more difficult to achieve in reality than it is on their elaborate UN Agenda 2030 Powerpoint slides, computer modeled projections and Zoom calls.

No one is being hit with this sobering reality more than the Europe’s premier green trailblazer, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, whose country is currently in the grips of Europe’s record-breaking freeze this winter.



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Germany’s held up as the world’s wind and solar capital. But, at the moment, the ‘green’ stuff can’t be purchased, at any price.

Its millions of solar panels are blanketed in snow and ice and breathless, freezing weather is encouraging its 30,000 wind turbines to do absolutely nothing, at all. [Note: don’t forget about the constant supply of electricity from the grid that these things chew up heating their internal workings so they don’t freeze up solid!]

So much for the ‘transition’ to an all wind and sun powered future – aka the ‘Energiewende’.

Despite being the object of consternation and much vilification over the last 20 years, Germany’s coal-fired plants are now being appreciated for what they are: truly meaningful power generation sources, available on demand, whatever the weather. With a Nationwide blackout a heartbeat away, the German obsession with unreliable wind and solar is like a time bomb set to explode.

Last month, Pierre Gosselin from No Tricks Zone explained how tradition energy sources like coal, nuclear and gas have bailed out Germany’s failing solar and wind green boondoggle…

Berlin On The Brink! Winter Blackouts Loom As Coal Plants Run At 100% Capacity, Struggle To Keep Lights On In

Wintertime wind and solar energy “between 0 and 2 or 3 percent – that is de facto zero,” says German power distribution professor.

Berlin’s power supply severely strained:

Germany now finds itself in the dead of winter. Much of the country has seen considerable snowfall, meaning solar panels are often covered by snow and thus rendered useless. Even without snow cover, the weeks-long overcast sky prevents any noteworthy solar power generation.

Moreover, this winter there have been many long windless periods, and so Germany’s approx. 30,000 wind turbines have been largely out of operation. In a world 100% reliant on green energies, this would mean near 100% darkness at home.

Luckily Germany’s still existing coal and nuclear power infrastructure is (still) there to step in and keep the power on and the country running. This has been the case for Berlin this winter an RBB German television report reveals:



German RBB (Berlin-Brandenburg) public broadcasting recently aired a report (above) on the region’s winter energy woes titled: “Germany’s green energies strained by winter.”

Coal to the rescue

The report acknowledges that all the power is “currently coming mainly from coal, and the power plants in Lausitz” are now “running at full capacity”.

Strangely the RBB report has been taken down from the archives, yet is fortunately available on YouTube thanks to wind energy protest group Vernunftkraft.de.

In the report Daniel Bartig, a mechanic at the LEAG Lausitz plant, tells RBB he is skeptical that green energy can do the job, and says “the greatest share of power is currently coming from coal.”

Green energies will not keep pace with demand

Next in the report, RBB interviews Harald Schwarz, professor of power distribution at the University of Cottbus, who tells RBB he’s very skeptical of wind and solar energy doing the job. As Germany moves to shut down its reliable nuclear and coal power plants, the gap between supply and demand will grow dangerously wide.

Physical reality “totally neglected” by policymakers

According to Prof. Schwarz:

With this supply of wind and photovoltaic energy, it’s between 0 and 2 or 3 percent – that is de facto zero. You can see it in many diagrams that we have days, weeks, in the year where we have neither wind nor PV. Especially this time for example – there is no wind and PV, and there are often times when the wind is very miniscule. These are things, I must say, that have been physically established and known for centuries, and we’ve simply totally neglected this during the green energies discussion.”

Will have to rely on foreign energy in the future

RBB then warns of the increased odds of blackouts for the region, like the blackout in Berlin in 2019.

So what will happen in the future?

The reporter says the plan is that Germany will have to rely more on natural gas (from Russia), coal power from Poland and nuclear power from France.

Green energy dumbness and obstinance on full public display.
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Where is Greta, frozen on a sailboat?

I’ve a solution. Shove a steam pipe into Washington DC and AOC and the green crew can sit on it and fuel the US
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Where is Greta, frozen on a sailboat?

I’ve a solution. Shove a steam pipe into Washington DC and AOC and the green crew can sit on it and fuel the US
Find a way to harness the energy produced by the founding fathers spinning in their graves.
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No country should rely on any one energy source to start with. Using solar and wind as primary isn't a horrible idea but keep the plants on standby, what a bunch of dumbasses.
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No country should rely on any one energy source to start with. Using solar and wind as primary isn't a horrible idea but keep the plants on standby, what a bunch of dumbasses.
Keeping coal, natural gas, or especially nuclear power plants on standby ready to start any time would be incredibly expensive and would make no sense.
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Standy not a good word for what i meant , at least don't close the plants, idle them so can be spooled up when needed. Nuke plants nit included.
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Standy not a good word for what i meant , at least don't close the plants, idle them so can be spooled up when needed. Nuke plants nit included.
Still not cost effective for a number of reasons. You can’t just shut one down, lock it up, and then start it back up quickly. It would take constant maintenance, and qualified operators aren’t sitting around waiting for jobs. If you have to staff and maintain it you might as well run it.
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Where is Greta, frozen on a sailboat?

I’ve a solution. Shove a steam pipe into Washington DC and AOC and the green crew can sit on it and fuel the US
Greta and Alexandra Occasional-Cortex are unaffected by this. People who are that arrogant don't listen to other opinions.

This is what happens when you allow a child...or someone who has the logic and intelligence of a child (e.g. the aforementioned AOC) to spearhead protests about complicated problems using simplistic solutions that are not well thought out. As far as AOC is concerned, she worked in a bar and that gives her all she needs to know in order to solve global issues. Greta is little more than a petulant child whose parents are so taken by her that they allow her to run their lives.

Sadly...these are the type of people being elected to congress, so the public is just as stupid.
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I have one German word for this thread:

"Schadenfreude."
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Greta and Alexandra Occasional-Cortex are unaffected by this. People who are that arrogant don't listen to other opinions.

This is what happens when you allow a child...or someone who has the logic and intelligence of a child (e.g. the aforementioned AOC)...spearhead protests about complicated problems using simplistic solutions that are not well thought out. As far as AOC is concerned, she worked in a bar and that gives her all she needs to know in order to solve global issues. Greta is little more than a petulant child whose parents are so taken by her that they allow her to run their lives.

Sadly...these are the type of people being elected to congress, so the public is just as stupid.
Nailed it.


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Keeping coal, natural gas, or especially nuclear power plants on standby ready to start any time would be incredibly expensive and would make no sense.
Until nothing else works.
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Still not cost effective for a number of reasons. You can’t just shut one down, lock it up, and then start it back up quickly. It would take constant maintenance, and qualified operators aren’t sitting around waiting for jobs. If you have to staff and maintain it you might as well run it.
egg fkin zack lee. the grid is very complex and operators need to meet demands as they rise and fall. with predictable generation such as gas fired microturbines or large scale steam turbines its easy. part of the equation though, is efficiency. running a couple turbines at minimal load is very inefficient on both the turbine side and the boiler side if steam turbines. there is a certain amount of energy lost in just keeping a head of steam.
for gas fired micros, there is on-off to stage, time to ramp up to speed, then back down.

how about we use an automotive analogy. get in your car. park on the side of the road with the engine running for a few hours. then, put it in gear and floor it for ten minutes. at the end of ten minutes, coast then park. repeat. every, day. see how much the car likes it, and how many mpg you get.
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