Stellantis no longer needs engineers I guess

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[Onebadcad]

Somehow the corrupt admin, corrupt leeches in congress and the even-more-corrupt uaw losers will spin this onto TRUMP.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/ste...ss-firing-call

Stellantis declined to speak about the story, but they did release a statement saying "these actions will better align resources while preserving the critical skills needed to protect our competitive advantage as we remain laser focused on implementing our EV product offensive and our Dare Forward 2030 strategic plan."

But the fired workers aren't sure that's the reason.

The unnamed engineer said there are "tons" of positions the company has outsourced to India, Mexico, and Brazil.

"So they continue to push low-cost countries are more efficient for the company and more profitable," he said.

According to Jeff Gilbert, an automotive reporter for WWJ, the workers are likely victims of an industry caught at a crossroads.

"The auto industry is making a lot of money, but it's facing a lot of challenges," he said. "You've got the electrification situation, which is going to cost car-makers a lot of money. You've got the new UAW contract, which is also costing carmakers a lot of money. So it's not only Stellantis. Everybody is looking at the bottom line."

Ford and General Motors, the other two Detroit automakers also wiggling through the transition, have made similar moves, he said.

[DJ_Critterus]

The unions are going to kill domestic vehicle production... well, pretty much all production here in the States. Coupled with Government over regulation and you have nothing short of a perfect recipe for disaster and a need for Government to control everything.... the leftist dream.

[Rodnok1]

They've already been cutting "temp" workers. I'm sure it has nothing to do with massive labor costs that increased with last contract...

Foreign owned company, what do they care if fire American employees.

[StudleyJames]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

The unions are going to kill domestic vehicle production... well, pretty much all production here in the States. Coupled with Government over regulation and you have nothing short of a perfect recipe for disaster and a need for Government to control everything.... the leftist dream.

A wise man said last week "It will be a Blood Bath"

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

The unions are going to kill domestic vehicle production... well, pretty much all production here in the States. Coupled with Government over regulation and you have nothing short of a perfect recipe for disaster and a need for Government to control everything.... the leftist dream.

I have a hard time agreeing with the big three, and others moving production / assembly to messico.

My math, not verified data:

1) car msrp $40K
2) 10% labor cost, $4K
3) saves 50% in messico
4) tariffs and transport into US, $2K

My math says no real savings, so I am sure my math is off.
BUT, even if off, if they save $1,000 does it really pay to build outside US??

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by StudleyJames

A wise man said last week "It will be a Blood Bath"

It is what he SAID, but differs greatly from what the idiots TOLD OTHERS he said.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I have a hard time agreeing with the big three, and others moving production / assembly to messico.

My math, not verified data:

1) car msrp $40K
2) 10% labor cost, $4K
3) saves 50% in messico
4) tariffs and transport into US, $2K

My math says no real savings, so I am sure my math is off.
BUT, even if off, if they save $1,000 does it really pay to build outside US??

Yes.
Plus the cost and regulations required to build a manufacturing facility is dramatically lower in Mexico and Asia.

[Rodnok1]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I have a hard time agreeing with the big three, and others moving production / assembly to messico.

My math, not verified data:

1) car msrp $40K
2) 10% labor cost, $4K
3) saves 50% in messico
4) tariffs and transport into US, $2K

My math says no real savings, so I am sure my math is off.
BUT, even if off, if they save $1,000 does it really pay to build outside US??

Gm made 2.3 million vehicles last year, even if lets say 500k made elsewhere yes it's extremely profitable to move the production.
Let's not forget alot of parts are made elsewhere also, not just the actual vehicle so savings is massive.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Gm made 2.3 million vehicles last year, even if lets say 500k made elsewhere yes it's extremely profitable to move the production.
Let's not forget alot of parts are made elsewhere also, not just the actual vehicle so savings is massive.

Yeah, I forgot about parts.
I remember in 2005 when I bought my caddy it was disclosed 72% of parts were USA-sourced.
I do not recall seeing the same when I bought the XT5, but doubt it is higher.

I would bet they save more on parts vs. assembly.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

I have a hard time agreeing with the big three, and others moving production / assembly to messico.

My math, not verified data:

1) car msrp $40K
2) 10% labor cost, $4K
3) saves 50% in messico
4) tariffs and transport into US, $2K

My math says no real savings, so I am sure my math is off.
BUT, even if off, if they save $1,000 does it really pay to build outside US??

Except:
No lawsuits
No EPA conformance
No Vacation/holiday constraints
No arbitration
No OSHA
No hospitalization
No Social Security
No pensions
No 401k contributions
No DEI requirements
No handicapped spaces, handrails, toilets, ramps etc.
No wrongful termination suits

I'm sure there's a lot more.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Except:
No lawsuits
No EPA conformance
No Vacation/holiday constraints
No arbitration
No OSHA
No hospitalization
No Social Security
No pensions
No 401k contributions
No DEI requirements
No handicapped spaces, handrails, toilets, ramps etc.
No wrongful termination suits

I'm sure there's a lot more.

Yep, unions and the anti-business legal system is killing jobs, killing dreams, killing good people.

[TheHammer]

Engineers? EV's are so simple, why do you need'em? To fill up your touch screen with more music options?

[NoOne]

There are no 'engineers' at most OEM's anymore, outside of powertrain. They create literally nothing.

Most of the titles are integration engineers. Buy some shit from this supplier, buy some shit from that supplier, make it work.

EV's are simpler and mostly developed by 3rd party suppliers, buy their motors, buy their control systems, slap it together.

Here is a good example. Long ago GM came out with a rear wheel steering for the Silverado. I was working at Ram in Chassis systems.

Went to the dealer, bought a Silverado with rear wheel steering. Brought it back, took out the rear axle, traced all the stuff back in the harness, hooked it up to power and the few sensors it wanted to see, drove it around a Ram with rear wheel steering in a few hours.

Less and less is done at the OEM's, they are most marketing, design, and manufacturer, the engineer is done mostly by outside companies.