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Old 06-07-2023, 6:00am   #21
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Which sins are ok to promote and celebrate and which ones aren't?

I really don't want to believe you support that church's actions.
Churches are not God - Churches are homes for sinners, that are willing to openly admit to their sins and support one another with Love

Not all churches get it right, not all people get it right. I will never be perfect.

We are an imperfect people serving a perfect God.
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Allow them in perhaps, but they had a transgender celebration day. Is that what is taught? How about a covet thy neighbor's wife day too.



I don't get the whole "proud to be gay" thing. What's next? "Proud" to eat dog turds? Personally, I'm "proud" to not be a fudge packer.
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Churches are not God - Churches are homes for sinners, that are willing to openly admit to their sins and support one another with Love

Not all churches get it right, not all people get it right. I will never be perfect.

We are an imperfect people serving a perfect God.
All true, but that church is OPENLY and overtly mocking God and promoting EVIL. They are actively recruiting KIDS. Frankly, someone does need to minister to and outreach to alphabet people, so there's actually a place for these people, the Unitarians, etc. Right up to the point where they start grooming children and trying to indoctrinate them into the lifestyle.


Did you read the article? This church has a "Try on closet" so, for example, boys can go in and try on dresses, presumably with bras and panties as well. This isn't ministering to an imperfect flock, this is RECRUITING KIDS.
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All true, but that church is OPENLY and overtly mocking God and promoting EVIL. They are actively recruiting KIDS. Frankly, someone does need to minister to and outreach to alphabet people, so there's actually a place for these people, the Unitarians, etc. Right up to the point where they start grooming children and trying to indoctrinate them into the lifestyle.


Did you read the article? This church has a "Try on closet" so, for example, boys can go in and try on dresses, presumably with bras and panties as well. This isn't ministering to an imperfect flock, this is RECRUITING KIDS.
Well, we do live in a world which had blurred lines now we have no lines except those lines we preserve as individuals and families.. the peace that I find is that 9/10 folk I might talk to about these topics share my lines ..

A sinner that attempts to corrupt my children with their sin will meet my line.. especially a church. Two of my children are in church camps this week..
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That is exactly what the bible teaches us to do
You are correct. The non-denominational church we attend welcomes everyone however, our pastor also teaches that this kind of life is sinful and is against what the Bible teaches. God doesn't make mistakes and he made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Any "church" that teaches that this lifestyle is OK, is not teaching from the Bible.


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Any "church" teaching that teaches about that lifestyle is teaching from the old testament.



So, are you saying that the New Testament says that the LGBTQ... lifestyle is not sinful? If you are, you need to go back and read your Bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 ESV
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God

1 Timothy 1:9-10 ESV
Understanding this, that the law is not laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:26-27 ESV
For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.
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Churches are not God - Churches are homes for sinners, that are willing to openly admit to their sins and support one another with Love

Not all churches get it right, not all people get it right. I will never be perfect.

We are an imperfect people serving a perfect God.
I have a great relationship with GOD.
I stopped doing church after 50+ years a few years back, feels good.

Many churches, if not most, close to all, get it wrong.
Men are given responsibility to teach and lead and protect GOD's flock.
Too many do not get this, and their egos take over, they 'think' they are given authority.

Also, I never understood why when congregations grow, the minister takes a bigger check--they can live on the same, original salary, the excess offerings as the church grows can be used to assist more members and the community. The megachurch doods own private jets, while many in their Sunday sermons worry if they have enough monies to gas up their cars.

I may be sour, but I am also very wise, many pursue religion for personal gain, the few noble ones are a great find, if you can find them.

I Samuel 2:30 for those seeking inspiration and guidance today.
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I have a great relationship with G-O-D.
Not if you can't/won't spell it right, you don't.
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Not all churches get it right, not all people get it right. I will never be perfect.

We are an imperfect people serving a perfect God.
That's really not addressing what I posted or my issue with it.

I posted what I posted because I take issue with a church PROMOTING transgender lifestyles. You commented that all are welcome. I made the comparison that even those that covet wives are welcome...but it is not promoted.

I was not questioning whether you felt they have a right to attend church. I was questioning whether you think the church should promote that lifestyle.

It is hard to have someone repent in the middle of a party thrown in support of their sinning.

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Not if you can't/won't spell it right, you don't.
We have done this at least twice in the past year,,, I have fat, porky typing fingers.

Okay, as now fixed.
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So, are you saying that the New Testament says that the LGBTQ... lifestyle is not sinful? If you are, you need to go back and read your Bible.
Not at all - but Jesus taught one thing - Love

If people do not learn to love one another, unconditionally as He did, then we have learned nothing from His message.
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That's really not addressing what I posted or my issue with it.
I have been taught it is not my place to judge. I can disagree, but what they are doing is not what I would do. But ultimately, if they are legitimately teaching the Gospel and bringing people to Christ, who am I to say it is wrong?
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Not at all - but Jesus taught one thing - Love

If people do not learn to love one another, unconditionally as He did, then we have learned nothing from His message.
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22 And have mercy on those who doubt; 23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; to others show mercy with fear, hating even the garment stained by the flesh.
Hating the garment? I get this is figurative and alliterative, but come on, the Katy 'church' Aero is talking about is literally providing wrong sex garments to kids and encouraging them to put them on. These adults are not snatching kids out of the fire, they're throwing them in like human sacrifices.


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I have been taught it is not my place to judge. I can disagree, but what they are doing is not what I would do. But ultimately, if they are legitimately teaching the Gospel and bringing people to Christ, who am I to say it is wrong?
I have no issue saying it's wrong. If pedophilia is promoted in church, it isn't excused because they are sharing the gospel.
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I have no issue saying it's wrong. If pedophilia is promoted in church, it isn't excused because they are sharing the gospel.
Until there is proof they are diddling children, I will continue to hope that is not the case.
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Until there is proof they are diddling children, I will continue to hope that is not the case.
Is that really the dividing line between acceptable and not?
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I have been taught it is not my place to judge. I can disagree, but what they are doing is not what I would do. But ultimately, if they are legitimately teaching the Gospel and bringing people to Christ, who am I to say it is wrong?
Methinks you have some cognitive dissonance...

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Until there is proof they are diddling children, I will continue to hope that is not the case.
So, if they prove there is child diddling, is it now your place to "judge"??

Didn't Jesus deal harshly with the "church" leaders of his time calling them "white-washed tombs full of dead men's bones"?

C'mon, man - you KNOW the homosexual and transgender lifestyles are biblically wrong - as is pedophilia - which is next on the list to be "celebrated"

Remember - "Love is Love" - and that is merely a moniker to prep us all to accept "Minor Attracted Person" love...otherwise knows as perversion. Just like homosexuality and transgenderism.
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Is that really the dividing line between acceptable and not?
Children are just that.... children. They need to play and have fun, stifling creativity only creates a barrier between those who deny them freedom of expression. They see it as fun and humorous, adults look to such things with bias and concern.

As the great George Clinton once said - "Free your mind and your ass will follow. The kingdom of heaven is within"
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