This is what the Assoc. of American Physicians and Surgeons were saying...

[markids77]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Latest study versus actual real life data. Neato.

Let's just say that if I get the 'rona, I'm demanding this treatment. If Nurse TikTok or Dr. Faux Xi wants to stop me, well, good luck to 'em.

Hope that works out well for you, Scout.

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by NEED-A-VETTE

Haha! Joke’s on him. You’ve been using them for years. 🍆 ❤️

I'm not saying he's right....but I was tested today for the 10th time and still negative.

Is it working for you too?

[Aerovette]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

LOL dude was eating a breakfast burrito, some chick and her soyboy decided to throw a hot coffee at him for Not Social Distancing. A fight ensued, said soyboy got ****ed up.

Link-a-rino

Also TheDonald.win is better than 99% of the internet currently, but that goes without saying.

I poked around following links etc. but never saw any video.

[NEED-A-VETTE]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I'm not saying he's right....but I was tested today for the 10th time and still negative.

Is it working for you too?

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

Kinda what I picture Nic being like

Try me biotch.




Why don't you just shut up and dance?

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I poked around following links etc. but never saw any video.

/\ Same.


Makes his debate/argument slightly less effective.

[MadInNc]

Ok, after a brief message from today’s Florida man.....

[C3C7NIC]

Originally Posted by Cybercowboy

Latest study versus actual real life data. Neato.

Let's just say that if I get the 'rona, I'm demanding this treatment. If Nurse TikTok or Dr. Faux Xi wants to stop me, well, good luck to 'em.

I keep asking for that data for review. Anecdotal "evidence" in small numbers is not "Actual data", but you know that.



There are 2 studies underway that I am awaiting the results on. One is the prophylaxis value of HCQ and the other is looking at early treatment.

As of yet, there has been no statistical evidence that these meds work, early, and surely not LATE in the illness.


IF it is the miracle drug, why have people that are already on high dose HCQ gotten very sick with SARSCOV2.


IF it is this superb answer to the pandemic, why have other countries that have this sold OTC not eradicated COVID?


ANSWER: It's a false narrative that it is a miracle cure or effective prophylactic.

Here is some "REAL life" stuff for ya. Can read the entire study


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Study of High-Dose Chloroquine For COVID-19 Stopped Early Due to Patient Deaths
JACINTA BOWLER14 APRIL 2020
As the pandemic continues to rage across the globe, one potential treatment researchers are investigating for COVID-19 is the malaria drug chloroquine. But concerning early results from a clinical trial in Brazil now add to the growing suspicion this could be far from the silver bullet we're looking for.


Chloroquine came onto the scene as a potential MERS treatment back in 2012, but was not investigated further because it didn't show enough activity against the virus. Recently, small studies have picked up that line of investigation again, looking into whether the drug could block coronaviruses such as COVID-19 from infecting cells.

The antimalarial is known to cause dangerous side-effects; even its relatively 'safer' cousin, hydroxychloroquine, doesn't have a great track record. Of particular concern is the risk for patients to develop serious heart problems.

"The antimalarial medication hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin are currently gaining attention as potential treatments for COVID-19, and each have potential serious implications for people with existing cardiovascular disease," the American Health Association notes in a statement.

"Complications include severe electrical irregularities in the heart such as arrythmia (irregular heartbeat), polymorphic ventricular tachycardia (including Torsade de Pointes) and long QT syndrome, and increased risk of sudden death."

The latest research to add to these worries is a clinical trial from Brazil. The team released their preliminary results on the pre-print server medRxiv when they stopped the high-dose arm of their study after just six days, as several patients died - especially in the group randomised to receive higher doses of the drug.


The researchers enrolled two groups of COVID-19 patients in a public hospital in Manaus; the high-dose group was assigned a total dose of 12 grams of chloroquine over 10 days, while the low-dose group took a total dose of 2.7 grams over 5 days. All participants also received the antibiotics ceftriaxone and azithromycin.

After 11 patients died across both dosage groups, the team halted the high-dose arm of the trial on day six, citing more heart rhythm problems in the high-dose group, and "a trend toward higher lethality".

"Preliminary findings suggest that the higher chloroquine dosage (10-day regimen) should not be recommended for COVID-19 treatment because of its potential safety hazards. Such results forced us to prematurely halt patient recruitment to this arm," the team concludes in the pre-print.

In a later update revealed to CNN, the researchers noted that they experienced even more deaths in the high-dose group than were documented on day six. And it doesn't mean the low-dose group is safe, either.

"The major difference between the high-dose and the low-dose group occurred during the first three days and the actual toxicity - two patients in the high-dose chloroquine arm developed ventricular tachycardia before death," Vanderbilt University infectious disease researcher William Schaffner, who was not involved in the study, told CNN.

"So, it's clear that the high-dose group was more toxic, but it's not as though the low-dose group was without concern, and in larger studies you might find some problems with the low-dose group as well."

These worrying results come after a hospital in France also stopped a trial of hydroxychloroquine due to side effects and risk of heart damage, and similar small studies have found little difference in COVID-19 patients treated with a combination of the malarial drug and the antibiotic; the latter carries a risk of heart rhythm side-effects even by itself.

The research team in Brazil moved all of the remaining patients to the low-dose arm of the trial in compliance with a recommendation from the Data Safety and Monitoring Board. Additionally, they recommend more trials to evaluate the role chloroquine might play in COVID-19 treatment and prophylaxis - much-needed data that could benefit us all in the future.

"Even if we fail to generate good evidence in time to control the current pandemic, the information will highly impact the way we deal with next coronavirus outbreaks in the future," the team writes in the pre-print.

The research is available on medRxiv.

[C3C7NIC]

This one addresses prophylaxis study of HCQ:


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

[z06psi]

Originally Posted by z06psi

So if a fart can be smelled after traveling through my underwear and jeans what makes anyone think a cloth mask is going to stop a virus?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette

Kinda what I picture ****zilla being like

No wonder her husband never cheats on her.

[MadInNc]

Darwin in full force....

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by MadInNc

Darwin in full force....

Cruise ships were Petri dishes even before COVID - only a complete and utter moron would take a cruise now.

[MadInNc]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Cruise ships were Petri dishes even before COVID - only a complete and utter moron would take a cruise now.

.... and then get quarantined in Antarctica

[Rikki Z-06]

Originally Posted by MadInNc

.... and then get quarantined in Antarctica

Could you imagine,.

[Aerovette]

I had dinner, margs, and 3 hours of conversation over dinner with friends and while at the table, had no mask on. Will I live until Monday?

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I had dinner, margs, and 3 hours of conversation over dinner with friends and while at the table, had no mask on. Will I live until Monday?

You will but they won't.

Remember, your mask protects them from you, not you from them.

[Raazor]

Our churches are open and a mask-free environment

[Raazor]

Originally Posted by aerovette

I had dinner, margs, and 3 hours of conversation over dinner with friends and while at the table, had no mask on. Will I live until Monday?

Nobody has a mask in a restaurant in the states I've visited recently. AZ, CO, NM, WY, ID, and of course MTK. Not walking in. Not walking out. And certainly not while seated.

[MadInNc]

Originally Posted by Raazor

Nobody has a mask in a restaurant in the states I've visited recently. AZ, CO, NM, WY, ID, and of course MTK. Not walking in. Not walking out. And certainly not while seated.

Razors neighbor in Montucky