C8Z06 vs Tesla

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

LOL! This dude is clueless.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

The bolded words are key. Just because they didn't post videos of crashes doesn't mean they didn't happen.

As said, as far as I'm concerned, anybody who supports and defends that shit can f**k all the way off and anybody who actually does it can become a greasy puddle on the pavement. 0 tolerance, 0 sympathy.

Originally Posted by Steve_R

And you know that how, exactly? Where is the data to support that claim? Oh, that's right, there is no data and it's just your (one person's) opinion. Your constant claims that you know why almost 80,000 people bought a Raptor, and that you know how they use them, is laughably absurd.

The same way that he saw a few videos and somehow thinks that everybody stupid enough to spend "six figures" on an appliance did it to go to the drag strip, when the reality is that about 99% of them are nothing more than a status purchase.

I'm still waiting on the response to where Ford has the 0-60 time advertised for the Raptor.

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Just look at the country. 83% live in urban areas. It's a very small population that lives in the boonies where such activities are popular. Even if 10% take their TRX or Raptor off road, it certainly is not a majority of owners. Most buy them for their performance and acceleration. Deny it as much as you want but you know that it is true,

What a truly ridiculous statement. You're a lost cause.

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

I'm still waiting on the response to where Ford has the 0-60 time advertised for the Raptor.

I Googled it. Lots of results - none from FoMoCo.

[BRUIZER]

Im certain FL represents the entire country considering FL has 6 of the top 10 cities with the LEAST number of 4x4's registered for public roadway use.

Popularity of 4WD/AWD by city

Most popular
1. Denver 72.23 percent
2. Colorado Springs 68.10 percent
3. Manchester, N.H. 62.04 percent
4. Portland, Maine 58.17 percent
5. Boston 56.82 percent
6. Reno, Nev. 54.90 percent
7. Spokane, Wash. 54.37 percent
8. Bristol, Tenn. 54.12 percent
9. Hartford, Conn. 53.18 percent
10. Grand Rapids, Mich. 52.87 percent

Least popular:
1. Miami: 10.68 percent
2. Lafayette, La. 10.84 percent
3. Orlando, Fla. 12.04 percent
4. Tampa 12.28 percent
5. Ft. Myers, Fla. 12.33 percent
6. Houston 12.43 percent
7. West Palm Beach, Fla. 12.73 percent
8. Bakersfield, Calif. 13.01 percent
9. Tallahassee, Fla. 13.16 percent
10. Phoenix 13.23 percent

https://www.autoremarketing.com/ar/c...east%20popular

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

My point is that the vast majority buys a TRX or Raptor for their acceleration.

You should consult for Ford and RAM. They design their trucks all wrong for the vast majority of their customers.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

...and yet your argument is that you can void every bit of warranty and upgrade the suspension on a base F150 for less than a Raptor.

The point is still very valid. I could build a Musting (or many other things)... no doubt with better build quality than your "6 figure car" ... for a fraction of the cost that I could drive to and from the track with no trailer that would absolutely crush your Plaid. 9 second Mustangs are all over the place. Your inability to build a fast car that doesn't blow up after a few passes is on you... and explains why you prefer to write a check instead. There are a hell of a lot of examples out there of people who have done exactly that. A friend of mine just drove his daily driver CTS-V from Ohio to Orlando for the Cadillac Attack, made it into the 8s, drove it back home, and to work on Monday. It cost less than your appliance. Running in the 9s isn't exactly difficult these days.

The funny thing that you don't realize is that a Raptor or a TRX is exactly what you just described. They are 1 vehicle that does everything that people need, be it going offroad, daily driving, towing, or simply looking good in the garage. No matter how much you try to deflect, the Cybertruck is not even close to accomplishing those things. It is a novelty that is completely useless beyond going to Target (a close one).

Yes, you elaborated what YOU wanted. That's great. You haven't hauled anything more than 30 miles. Again, great. Your complete inability to comprehend that what YOU want isn't what everybody else wants is the problem.

Congratulations on towing with your Tesla what I could toss in the back of my truck or Escalade and drive 600 miles.

Again, a Mustang would be an EXTRA car as I need an SUV. Extra insurance, extra maintenance.. Not for me. A TRX is similar to a Model X Plaid with the difference that it's much slower accelerating and you would need to mod it and void your warranty to make it fast enough for my wants. A TRX has a higher MSRP than a Model X Plaid and is significantly slower. Furthermore, in addition to the payment on the truck, I'd have an additional $500 - $600 per month in gas expenses. Slower and more expensive, so, it's a no go.. I would consider a TRX if it was as fast as my Plaid and had a lower monthly expense than my Plaid. However, it's not even close in performance and much more expensive to operate.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by BRUIZER

Im certain FL represents the entire country considering FL has 6 of the top 10 cities with the LEAST number of 4x4's registered for public roadway use.

Popularity of 4WD/AWD by city

Most popular
1. Denver 72.23 percent
2. Colorado Springs 68.10 percent
3. Manchester, N.H. 62.04 percent
4. Portland, Maine 58.17 percent
5. Boston 56.82 percent
6. Reno, Nev. 54.90 percent
7. Spokane, Wash. 54.37 percent
8. Bristol, Tenn. 54.12 percent
9. Hartford, Conn. 53.18 percent
10. Grand Rapids, Mich. 52.87 percent

Least popular:
1. Miami: 10.68 percent
2. Lafayette, La. 10.84 percent
3. Orlando, Fla. 12.04 percent
4. Tampa 12.28 percent
5. Ft. Myers, Fla. 12.33 percent
6. Houston 12.43 percent
7. West Palm Beach, Fla. 12.73 percent
8. Bakersfield, Calif. 13.01 percent
9. Tallahassee, Fla. 13.16 percent
10. Phoenix 13.23 percent

https://www.autoremarketing.com/ar/c...east%20popular

And you think it's because they are offroading??
It's because those areas have snow and AWD or 4x4 has huge benefits in those conditions.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by ptindall

You should consult for Ford and RAM. They design their trucks all wrong for the vast majority of their customers.

What about the Durango Hellcat and Trackhawk? They are not designed for off roading. What benefit other than acceleration does anyone have that does not road race or engage in illegal activities like reckless driving etc? If you abide by road laws, you have no need for any suspension benefits of a Trackhawk or Hellcat Durango.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

What a truly ridiculous statement. You're a lost cause.

You are a lost cause if you think that more than 10% of Raptor/TRX owners go offroad frequently and take their truck to the limits going offroad..

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Again, a Mustang would be an EXTRA car as I need an SUV. Extra insurance, extra maintenance.. Not for me. A TRX is similar to a Model X Plaid with the difference that it's much slower accelerating and you would need to mod it and void your warranty to make it fast enough for my wants. A TRX has a higher MSRP than a Model X Plaid and is significantly slower. Furthermore, in addition to the payment on the truck, I'd have an additional $500 - $600 per month in gas expenses. Slower and more expensive, so, it's a no go.. I would consider a TRX if it was as fast as my Plaid and had a lower monthly expense than my Plaid. However, it's not even close in performance and much more expensive to operate.

What in the actual hell are you even talking about? At no point in any conversation ever have I said anything about what YOU should buy.

Go back and try reading that again. I never said you should buy a Mustang. I said I could kick your Plaid's ass with 1. I never said anything even remotely close to implying that you should buy a Raptor or a TRX. Do you just make shit up or do you lack even the most basic reading comprehension skills? Holy shit.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

What about the Durango Hellcat and Trackhawk? They are not designed for off roading. What benefit other than acceleration does anyone have that does not road race or engage in illegal activities like reckless driving etc? If you abide by road laws, you have no need for any suspension benefits of a Trackhawk or Hellcat Durango.

My god you are dense.

You have asked the same question 10 times. It has been answered 10 times. You not being able to comprehend the answer because of an absolutely asinine inability so see ANYTHING beyond your own criteria of straight line acceleration and absolutely nothing else is your problem.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

What in the actual hell are you even talking about? At no point in any conversation ever have I said anything about what YOU should buy.

Go back and try reading that again. I never said you should buy a Mustang. I said I could kick your Plaid's ass with 1. I never said anything even remotely close to implying that you should buy a Raptor or a TRX. Do you just make shit up or do you lack even the most basic reading comprehension skills? Holy shit.

What's the point of a modded Mustang on slicks beating my Plaid? A highly modded Pony car vs. a family SUV on street tires
As I said, you can make anything fast. There is always someone faster.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

My god you are dense.

You have asked the same question 10 times. It has been answered 10 times. You not being able to comprehend the answer because of an absolutely asinine inability so see ANYTHING beyond your own criteria of straight line acceleration and absolutely nothing beyond that is your problem.

Please list the criteria or benefit of the Durango Hellcat or Trackhawk that you can take advantage of on the street without engaging in illegal conduct?
You won't need any better suspension if you abide by traffic laws. You can get virtually all the "luxury" features of those cars on the regular version of the Durango or Grand Cherokee as well. Just wondering if you can list the benefits of the performance version of those SUV's..

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

How much does a supension upgrade cost? I bet that it's nowhere close to the difference in price tag between the performance version of the truck and the regular version.

FX4 is not really a suspension upgrade. It's a $1,000 RPO and in addition to the items I noted above, it does include hill descent control and floor mats, I kid you not...the FX4 package includes floor mats.
Not sure how much the mats upgrade the suspension.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

FX4 is not really a suspension upgrade. It's a $1,000 RPO and in addition to the items I noted above, it does include hill descent control and floor mats, I kid you not...the FX4 package includes floor mats.
Not sure how much the mats upgrade the suspension.

I mean to go from a FX4 suspension to a Raptor type suspension. I doubt that it would cost $40k. I see tons of redneck trucks with jacked up suspension.. So, if rednecks can afford it, I doubt that it's that expensive.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I mean to go from a FX4 suspension to a Raptor type suspension. I doubt that it would cost $40k.

Not sure about what point you are attempting to make?

As I posted, FX4 really is not a suspension upgrade it is a marketing product. Much like GM's Z71.

The Raptor is a complete different vehicle than a regular F150 with or without the FX4 package.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I see tons of redneck trucks with jacked up suspension.. So, if rednecks can afford it, I doubt that it's that expensive.

A lifted truck can be basic and cost very little, or it can be quite comprehensive and be complete suspension makeover that costs thousands.
Appears your view is that rednecks are broke or cheap and can't afford to spend money upgrading their trucks...quite condescending sir.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Please list the criteria or benefit of the Durango Hellcat or Trackhawk that you can take advantage of on the street without engaging in illegal conduct?
You won't need any better suspension if you abide by traffic laws. You can get virtually all the "luxury" features of those cars on the regular version of the Durango or Grand Cherokee as well. Just wondering if you can list the benefits of the performance version of those SUV's..

List the benefits? Holy shit. You really are completely incapable of understanding anything that can't be put in a spreadsheet.

They look better. They sound better. There is a factor of "exclusivity". You can feel performance every time you hit the gas... not just fake racing at a test and tune. You don't have to act like a street racing douche or break any laws to feel the power. You don't have to go to a road course to appreciate a well tuned suspension. You can hear the glorious sounds of deceleration every time you stop. There is a collectability factor. There is an absolutely infinite list of things and reasons. I have owned more "performance" cars than I can even remember. I've never bought 1 based on a spec sheet and I've never bought 1 because of how it compared to what somebody else had. The S6 is slower (in a straight line) than your Tesla. I would never even remotely consider trading it. I don't care that it "runs 9s". Beyond the fact that I think they're absolutely hideous, I've driven them. It's miserable. They have the build quality of a Geo Metro. They drive like a Camry with bad shocks. There is nothing at all good about it other than acceleration.

The fact that you are completely incapable of seeing anything beyond a spreadsheet is YOUR problem.

I'll make it very simple.

People buy vehicles for different reasons than you. Some of those reasons are measurable. Most are not.

If you can't understand that basic concept, I don't know what else to tell you.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I mean to go from a FX4 suspension to a Raptor type suspension. I doubt that it would cost $40k. I see tons of redneck trucks with jacked up suspension.. So, if rednecks can afford it, I doubt that it's that expensive.

Do you even know what "Raptor type suspension" means?

Are you really so f**king clueless that you think it's just a "jacked up" "redneck" F150?



I am absolutely amazed at how it is even remotely possible to own as many cars as you claim to have owned and still be so completely the hell clueless.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by LATB

Not sure about what point you are attempting to make?

As I posted, FX4 really is not a suspension upgrade it is a marketing product. Much like GM's Z71.

The Raptor is a complete different vehicle than a regular F150 with or without the FX4 package.

A lifted truck can be basic and cost very little, or it can be quite comprehensive and be complete suspension makeover that costs thousands.
Appears your view is that rednecks are broke or cheap and can't afford to spend money upgrading their trucks...quite condescending sir.

The definition of "REDNECK" includes low education level.. Just because someone is a southerner doesn't make them a redneck. Rednecks are those with missing teeth, driving around in an old, jacked up pickup truck with a huge confederate flag in the back.