So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[sublime1996525]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The flashing sign in question..

So it can’t read a clearly displaying 15 mph sign? Flashing lights shouldn’t matter if it can read the signs..right?

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I would rather work on a tree reader app for the drag strip.. Car stages itself very shallow and takes off every time with a perfect reaction time. That would be something I'd like to have

How To Make Drag Racing More Boring by GSC3 lol.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

Gotta be aggressive to stay ahead of those aggressive assholes.

* assertive

There is a difference.

If I had been driving that pickup truck, I would have PITted you into the ditch before I let your puny Mustang ass cut in front of me.

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

How To Make Drag Racing More Boring by GSC3 lol.

Step aside Full Self-Driving - GSC3 has invented Full Self-Racing! Heck, you don't even need to be in the car in order to win the race!!

[dvarapala]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

The system did NOT make any driving mistakes BUT it completely ignored school zone speed limits.

That's because this new version was trained exclusively by human drivers.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm not making an excuse. I'm pointing out an issue. The entire free trial thing is meant for exactly that. Finding issues with the system so that Tesla can improve their FSD software. I've said it before and I say it again. Unless this works flawless, I would not pay for it but I don't mind helping Tesla to gather data and find issues. YES, this is an issue and it's a good thing that people are finding issues as this is the only way that the system can get better. IT IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME right now.

And yet you're complicit with Tesla in that you're using a not ready for prime time system on public roadways, endangering the lives of those going about their daily lives. "Oops, sorry Mrs Smith. I didn't mean to run over your husband, but I was using a system with KNOWN flaws. Just think of the upside. Perhaps your husband gave his life for the greater good, um, the greater good of Tesla." Like I said previously, if I or anyone in my family ever gets hit or hurt by someone allowing the car to drive itself, I will sue the absolute **** out of that person and the car manufacturer. It is virtually impossible to write self-driving software that can react to every potential driving scenario.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I will start recording the drive to my daughter's school this afternoon. At the time I will arrive at the school, the flashing light will NOT be on yet, so, I won't be able to recreate the issue I encountered in the morning.

Another potential issue is when leaving the school. When I leave the school, there is no school zone sign and the system has no way of knowing that it is a school zone and that the flashing light is on. The only real way to solve it would be a database that has all the school zone times so that the car will know based on location and time of the day. I see no other way to fix that.

You just proved my point! Here's a fix...DRIVE THE ****ING CAR AND PAY ATTENTION!

[GTOguy]

Originally Posted by jw38

And yet you're complicit with Tesla in that you're using a not ready for prime time system on public roadways, endangering the lives of those going about their daily lives. "Oops, sorry Mrs Smith. I didn't mean to run over your husband, but I was using a system with KNOWN flaws. Just think of the upside. Perhaps your husband gave his life forbthe greater good, um, the greater good of Tesla." Like I said previously, if I or anyone in my family ever gets hit or hurt by someone allowing the car to drive itself, I will sue the absolute **** out of that person and the car manufacturer. It is virtually impossible to write self-driving software that can react to every potential driving scenario.



You just proved my point! Here's a fix...DRIVE THE ****ING CAR AND PAY ATTENTION!

Grandsport really, truly can't see the forest through the trees. Are we sure he isn't an engineer?? I guess a lot of people these days are frozen in fear if they have a software issue. **** software. Say yes to LIVING LIFE.

[Don Rickles]

Real Life Crash Dummies!

I’d watch that show!

[MY03C5Z]

Originally Posted by Aerovette

Wonder what it does when a school bus is boarding with the lights flashing?

It’s programmed to crowd plow like a 16 year old in a mustang GT leaving a cars and coffee….

[the new me]

It is said that it is easier to wear slippers than to carpet the whole world.

So far, it looks like Tesla FSD needs to carpet the whole world.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

You have to tap on AGREE that this is supposed to be supervised and you have to intervene if the system makes mistakes.

Oh, you have to tap on it. Kind of like you have to sign all of the paperwork at a dealership?

Funny that when it's Tesla, your defense is that they make you acknowledge (sign) a screen full of instructions. But.. .but... you have to tap the button!!!

And yet when it's anybody else, you argued repeatedly that a signature was not enough because people don't read before signing things.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

You know how this goes.. Dealer gives you the document and shows you where to sign. Unfortunately, too many people don't read what they sign.
Does that make it right to screw them? Nope. Does it happen? Sure does.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by jw38

And yet you're complicit with Tesla in that you're using a not ready for prime time system on public roadways, endangering the lives of those going about their daily lives. "Oops, sorry Mrs Smith. I didn't mean to run over your husband, but I was using a system with KNOWN flaws. Just think of the upside. Perhaps your husband gave his life for the greater good, um, the greater good of Tesla." Like I said previously, if I or anyone in my family ever gets hit or hurt by someone allowing the car to drive itself, I will sue the absolute **** out of that person and the car manufacturer. It is virtually impossible to write self-driving software that can react to every potential driving scenario.



You just proved my point! Here's a fix...DRIVE THE ****ING CAR AND PAY ATTENTION!

The ONLY way to test such syatem is on the road. Nobody is getting run over. This is a supervised system. The more data the system has, the better it will perform.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Oh, you have to tap on it. Kind of like you have to sign all of the paperwork at a dealership?

Funny that when it's Tesla, your defense is that they make you acknowledge (sign) a screen full of instructions. But.. .but... you have to tap the button!!!

And yet when it's anybody else, you argued repeatedly that a signature was not enough because people don't read before signing things.

There is a difference of not reading a long contract and not reading 2 sentences.
I have been in many closings for real estate transactions and I have never ever read the entire document. If people would read the entire contract, closings would take 3 to 4 times longer.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

As I said, the system recognizes cones, barriers etc. and will slow down for them even if there is no speed limit sign. I may just look for a construction zone around town and give it a try and post the video. I have FSD for 30 days, so, I'll ty to run through tons of scenarios. I'm sure it will fail in some scenarios and that is a good thing as it will help make the system better as long as I report each mistake that the system is making.

Yea, can't wait to dodge the Tesla that randomly slams on the brakes because there is a f**king cone on the side of the road, or slows down to whatever the hell speed it chooses because there is a barrier even though there is no posted speed reduction.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm not making an excuse.

Yes you are.

Many of them.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I'm pointing out an issue. The entire free trial thing is meant for exactly that. Finding issues with the system so that Tesla can improve their FSD software.

No the point is that they remove themselves from liability for for the shit that goes wrong in their f-ed up software and put it on you instead. Most people are smart enough to figure that out.

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

IT IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME right now.

And how many years in a row has your messiah been promising that cars would be fully self driving "this year"? I believe the answer is every year since 2016.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

There is a difference of not reading a long contract and not reading 2 sentences.
I have been in many closings for real estate transactions and I have never ever read the entire document. If people would read the entire contract, closings would take 3 to 4 times longer.

Bullshit.

Who in the f**k is talking about real estate closings? Your previous answer was that people didn't even read the front page of a vehicle purchase order or the odometer statement. Nobody is talking about real estate contracts (other than you trying to defend your messiah). Hell, you're so pathetically lazy that you want the government to regulate autotrader because you can't be bothered to read past the first line.

Your answer is different now because it's Tesla. And it's equally hilarious and pathetic.

And yes, I'm still rooting for the phone pole.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by sublime1996525

How To Make Drag Racing More Boring by GSC3 lol.

"Racing"

[Chemtrails99]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

Step aside Full Self-Driving - GSC3 has invented Full Self-Racing! Heck, you don't even need to be in the car in order to win the race!!

Many kids love these electric slot cars!

[Louie Detroit]

Holy Shit - makes wonder how it would handle a work zone on a busy freeway.

[OnPoint]

It's stunning how lazy people are getting.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO

Yea, can't wait to dodge the Tesla that randomly slams on the brakes because there is a f**king cone on the side of the road, or slows down to whatever the hell speed it chooses because there is a barrier even though there is no posted speed reduction.


Yes you are.

Many of them.



No the point is that they remove themselves from liability for for the shit that goes wrong in their f-ed up software and put it on you instead. Most people are smart enough to figure that out.



And how many years in a row has your messiah been promising that cars would be fully self driving "this year"? I believe the answer is every year since 2016.

You are living in the past. Phantom braking is long gone. It was a thing for a while after they got rid of Lidar.
Of course they shouldn't have liability if driver fails to monitor the system as required. It is a beta product. You can choose not to use it. It's completely optional. The only way to refine the system is with more real world data and the only way to get that data is with a large number of drivers using it.

[Steve_R]

A federal report published today found that Tesla's Autopilot system was involved in at least 13 fatal crashes in which drivers misused the system in ways the automaker should have foreseen—and done more to prevent.

Huh, imagine that. I’m sure they tapped the screen so it’s not the driver’s fault.