War Breaking Out Across the World!

[higgyburners]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

This is exactly right. And why we won WW2 hands down. And because we haven't 'fought to win' ever since, we have not won a single war.
You can't be PC and be in a war. The only way to engage is to wipe out the enemy or get unconditional surrender, like we did with the Japanese. No negotiations. No talks. SURRENDER OR DESTRUCTION. PERIOD.
We need to burn the cancer that is Iran from the face of the globe. Like most cancers, there will be some extra tissue removed to ensure all of it was removed.

I am starting to like you.....

[Tikiman]

Originally Posted by mtnman

That's because the people in charge have a vested interest in dragging out the hostilities. They are heavily invested in companies that profit from the wars.

And have been since back in the days of the Rothchilds.

[ptindall]

Knocking down 300ish virtually simultaneous targets including 120 ballistic missiles is a really amazing feat. I'm sure it only happened because we pretty much knew it was comming, but it's still amazing. The part I want to know, but we will never hear, is what percentage of Iran's ballistic missile and drone stockpile was used? What percentage of Isreal's Arrow 2, Arrow 3, and Iron Dome were expended? What percentage of our on-station SM-3 and SM-6 were expended? How quickly can those be resupplied?

So Western air defences WORK. Great. How well do Russian and Chinese air defences work? Iran has both. We may learn how well they stack up to the F-35's stealth and Isreali tactics soon.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by ptindall

Knocking down 300ish virtually simultaneous targets including 120 ballistic missiles is a really amazing feat. I'm sure it only happened because we pretty much knew it was comming, but it's still amazing. The part I want to know, but we will never hear, is what percentage of Iran's ballistic missile and drone stockpile was used? What percentage of Isreal's Arrow 2, Arrow 3, and Iron Dome were expended? What percentage of our on-station SM-3 and SM-6 were expended? How quickly can those be resupplied?

So Western air defences WORK. Great. How well do Russian and Chinese air defences work? Iran has both. We may learn how well they stack up to the F-35's stealth and Isreali tactics soon.

I may be wrong but it appears that Israel and the US spent considerably more money shooting down those mostly drones and some missals than Iran did firing them. A major disparity in capital outlaid and put a serious dent in our availability of more of those expensive defense weapons!

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

I may be wrong but it appears that Israel and the US spent considerably more money shooting down those mostly drones and some missals than Iran did firing them.

For reference, Iran has about 1/50 the GDP of the United States and about 2/3 the GDP of Isreal. The attack was more expensive to them than the defense was to the United States. Maybe more costly to Isreal. But its not like you have to pay for the weapons when you use them. You've already paid for them whether they are expended in combat (rarely) or if they are eventually disposed of for being too old or obsolete.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by ptindall

For reference, Iran has about 1/50 the GDP of the United States and about 2/3 the GDP of Isreal. The attack was more expensive to them than the defense was to the United States. Maybe more costly to Isreal. But its not like you have to pay for the weapons when you use them. You've already paid for them whether they are expended in combat (rarely) or if they are eventually disposed of for being too old or obsolete.

Thats one way of putting it!-

[Vette40th]

We are sending much much more , ordnance that is, out of the USA to go somewhere. Just saying.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by 6spdC6

I may be wrong but it appears that Israel and the US spent considerably more money shooting down those mostly drones and some missals than Iran did firing them. A major disparity in capital outlaid and put a serious dent in our availability of more of those expensive defense weapons!

Let's say the Iranian drones retail for $ 25K a piece, the missiles, probably more.

Now let's look at what we're shooting them down with. Those things are probably $1-1.5M each, and we no doubt shot more defensive missiles than they shot offensive missiles. When we shoot and miss, we shoot again if we have time.

Add to that the fact that we are broke, have a higher per capita national debt than either Israel OR Iran, and in the war of attrition, this hurts us more. We should have stayed out if it completely.

I don't remember Israel ever sending planes, soldiers, tanks, whatever, whenever WE were fighting a war. I don't remember them helping the UK, or France, either. When the Fauklands War was raging, where were the Israeli jets? Israeli ground troops?

[dvarapala]

Apparently it's all part of the plan:

[Vette40th]

Not many here talking of what is going on in Middle East.
This is not someone I know, but was posted elsewhere on the web on a forum I follow.
"An Israeli friend, **** just came back from Israel. He went to Kibbutz Be'eri, which was one of the hardest hit by Hamas. He did a tour, and took tons of pics, but a few things he said stuck in my head:

According to Jewish law, a body needs to be buried as intact as possible. A volunteer organization of (mostly) religious people, called ZAKA, takes it upon themselves to visit any site of violent death (terrorist, accident, murder, etc) and sort through the literal pieces, and group them together so they can receive a proper burial.

ZAKA is still operating in full force in Be'eri, Kfar Aza, and wherever else Hamas entered. When **** entered Be'eri, he noticed the stench of death, 7 months later. He asked how this could be? He was shown areas where the ground was disturbed, as if it had been rototilled. Hamas, after killing people, hacked them to pieces (or blew them up) and turned them into the ground, so as to deny them a proper Jewish burial.

Every kibbutz in that area has a QRF security team of volunteers, and an armory storing weapons for the team. Hamas knew where the armory was, and after breaching the perimeter, immediately set up a point of attack from a command position, and shot each member of the team as they arrived at the armory.

Next, they went to the area of the kibbutz where the 20-somethings who just finished the army return to, which is somewhat separate and their own little area, and slaughtered them. Hamas knew they're young, and fighters, and would create problems. This was a bloodbath, absolutely horrific butchery. They were chopped up and tilled into the ground.

Only after those two did they proceed to go house to house and kill, torture, rape, and kidnap. In each home, of course the bodies are gone, but the blood remains, and the forensics teams photos of each body lie or are pinned in the spot the body was found, as evidence of the massacre. rooms are riddled with bullet holes, grenade marks, hyperbaric bomb evidence, pools of blood.

**** has a friend who lived in Be'eri. He had a weapon and fought, was severely wounded and could not stand, sat in a plastic deck chair in a hallway, and continued to kill mother****ers. He survived.

There are still Zaka collection bags set up dotting the landscape in Be'eri, as body parts are still being found.

[6spdC6]

Originally Posted by Vette40th

Not many here talking of what is going on in Middle East.
This is not someone I know, but was posted elsewhere on the web on a forum I follow.
"An Israeli friend, **** just came back from Israel. He went to Kibbutz Be'eri, which was one of the hardest hit by Hamas. He did a tour, and took tons of pics, but a few things he said stuck in my head:

According to Jewish law, a body needs to be buried as intact as possible. A volunteer organization of (mostly) religious people, called ZAKA, takes it upon themselves to visit any site of violent death (terrorist, accident, murder, etc) and sort through the literal pieces, and group them together so they can receive a proper burial.

ZAKA is still operating in full force in Be'eri, Kfar Aza, and wherever else Hamas entered. When **** entered Be'eri, he noticed the stench of death, 7 months later. He asked how this could be? He was shown areas where the ground was disturbed, as if it had been rototilled. Hamas, after killing people, hacked them to pieces (or blew them up) and turned them into the ground, so as to deny them a proper Jewish burial.

Every kibbutz in that area has a QRF security team of volunteers, and an armory storing weapons for the team. Hamas knew where the armory was, and after breaching the perimeter, immediately set up a point of attack from a command position, and shot each member of the team as they arrived at the armory.

Next, they went to the area of the kibbutz where the 20-somethings who just finished the army return to, which is somewhat separate and their own little area, and slaughtered them. Hamas knew they're young, and fighters, and would create problems. This was a bloodbath, absolutely horrific butchery. They were chopped up and tilled into the ground.

Only after those two did they proceed to go house to house and kill, torture, rape, and kidnap. In each home, of course the bodies are gone, but the blood remains, and the forensics teams photos of each body lie or are pinned in the spot the body was found, as evidence of the massacre. rooms are riddled with bullet holes, grenade marks, hyperbaric bomb evidence, pools of blood.

**** has a friend who lived in Be'eri. He had a weapon and fought, was severely wounded and could not stand, sat in a plastic deck chair in a hallway, and continued to kill mother****ers. He survived.

There are still Zaka collection bags set up dotting the landscape in Be'eri, as body parts are still being found.

Shocked, shocked I tell you, never saw this mentioned by the fair and impartial reporting the MSM does.

Actually till I open this post I never heard of it at all!

[Vette40th]

Media will never let the kids here this.. The horrors of war are rarely brought to light.
Men are evil. History has shown some horrible men that destroyed people.. Hamas is one of these people, groups of men..
Nanking was one of the worst I read of. Rape of Sabine? So much more.