College Thread Got Me Wondering

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by themonk

So you're telling me that a kid fresh out of high school with a reasonable degree of intelligence can't learn those jobs with 10 years of on the job training.......

Accountant Jeff, c'mon, you might as well of said grocery store clerk.

If you shadowed someone in any of those fields you'd learn much more than anything a "professor" could teach you.

Think about this, a kid fresh out of med school does not got straight into the operating room, he gets hands on experience before he goes near a scalpel and that's after 8 years of schooling so don't you think that he'd pick up a thing or two being along side a doctor for 8 years.

You obviously have no idea what is involved with accounting, for a bank or large company....Employers don't want to wait for 10 years for someone to learn their craft, especially on their dime.. You walk in their door, and you better be able to perform with the quickness, or you're out the door....10 years....

[polarbear]

Originally Posted by themonk

Start in the mail room after you graduate from high school.

Seriously, name me one job that you can't do if you had on the job training without any formal education.

The realistic question isn't whether you can do the job, but whether you can get the job.

[FasterTraffic]

I have a "useless" degree that makes me valuable anywhere but I don't work in that field.



English, mother f**ker, do you speak it?

[themonk]

Originally Posted by polarbear

The realistic question isn't whether you can do the job, but whether you can get the job.

And that's exactly it.

[ft laud mike]

My degrees are meaningless jobwise, except I get a little bit $$ extra for having them. After going through the trouble /expense I realized unless I was
-somebodys (boss/ higher up) friend
-Good looking female
-kiss azz
-EEO (doesn't apply, I'm a white male)
-good at interoffice politics (not me)
I was going to have to wait a loooong time to get promoted, only took 15 years, with a MPA, when The Director of my Dept(5 paygrades ahead of me) has a HS diploma
YMMV

[themonk]

Originally Posted by Jeff '79

You obviously have no idea what is involved with accounting, for a bank or large company....Employers don't want to wait for 10 years for someone to learn their craft, especially on their dime.. You walk in their door, and you better be able to perform with the quickness, or you're out the door....10 years....

If Albert Einstein can be self taught I'm pretty sure that someone who wants to be an accountant can learn from someone on the job.

What can a teacher teach you that a professional account can't, please answer me that one question, I'll be waiting here for the next 10 minutes.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Now i'm in training to be a reactor operator....

What site? SRO's are well paid.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by themonk

Start in the mail room after you graduate from high school.

Seriously, name me one job that you can't do if you had on the job training without any formal education.

I've been a carpenter my whole life...40+ years at it. Designed & build homes...And I'll never be an architect without the paper.

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by themonk

If Albert Einstein can be self taught I'm pretty sure that someone who wants to be an accountant can learn from someone on the job.

What can a teacher teach you that a professional account can't, please answer me that one question, I'll be waiting here for the next 10 minutes.

Oh, so an accounting firm is going to teach a prospective employee, how to account ? On their dime ?....10 minutes is up... Go away...Your rational is inane.

[themonk]

Originally Posted by LarsAtTheBeach

I've been a carpenter my whole life...40+ years at it. Designed & build homes...And I'll never be an architect without the paper.

But you know just as much, that's my point. Hands on learning is just as good as schooling however employers are looking for a piece of paper saying you know something. I bet that there are backyard mechanics out there who know a hell of a lot more about fixing cars than certified mechanics but can't work at a franchise dealership because they don't have formal training.

[kingpin]

All as I know is you can't frame pictures without a diploma.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by kingpin

All as I know is you can't frame pictures without a diploma.

does one need a diploma to frame a diploma?

[repo]

Originally Posted by themonk

If Albert Einstein can be self taught I'm pretty sure that someone who wants to be an accountant can learn from someone on the job.

What can a teacher teach you that a professional account can't, please answer me that one question, I'll be waiting here for the next 10 minutes.

The point is why wait or go thru the hassle of training someone on the job when a lot of that training can be brought in?

No one wants to babysit someone while they learn all day every day.Takes the productivity away from the person who is doing the training.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by themonk

If Albert Einstein can be self taught I'm pretty sure that someone who wants to be an accountant can learn from someone on the job.

What can a teacher teach you that a professional account can't, please answer me that one question, I'll be waiting here for the next 10 minutes.

Except he wasn't self taught, he went to one of the most prestigious universities in Europe. He just couldn't get a position right away after school.

[Skia]

My associates in Industrial management degree has done me no good at all in 12 years.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Originally Posted by Skia

My associates in Industrial management degree has done me no good at all in 12 years.

Maybe you need a haircut or some "Just for Men?" You know, look a little younger, more hip?

[Jeff '79]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Maybe you need a haircut or some "Just for Men?" You know, look a little younger, more hip?

Skia's takin' a beating tonight....2 Hondas though today...Can't argue with that..They were prolly pity sales though....

[bryanZ06]

I went to college (didn't graduate) with the idea I'd do something in marketing. I moved back home in 02 and became a firefighter a couple of years later. My time in college (while fun) was an absolute waste for me.

[ConstantChange]

Originally Posted by The_Dude

My degree is directly applicable to my current job.

This. My current job requires a bachelors degree from a small list of majors to even get an interview. I use the skills I learned in about 2-3 classes on a regular basis.

Without the degree, I'd have to work a lot harder to make the kind of money I do.

[Giraffe (He/Him)]

Two delusions fostered by higher education are that what is taught corresponds to what is learned, and that will somehow pay off in more money.