Whats going on in WI?

[repo]

I could go into my daughters HS and make 20% cuts with no problem.

[Will]

SAT Test-Takers

Average Scores: Critical Reading --- Mathematics --- Writing

Public: 496 --- 510 --- 487
Religiously Affiliated: 533 --- 533 --- 530
Independent: 550 --- 578 --- 555


http://professionals.collegeboard.co...OTAL-GROUP.pdf


THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!! These fine upstanding union hordes are delivering SAT test scores that are almost only 100 points lower than religious private schools !!!!!!

[NeedSpeed]

The Best Wisconsin Protest Signs (PHOTOS)

[thkauffman]

Originally Posted by NeedSpeed

The Best Wisconsin Protest Signs (PHOTOS)

Not very creative for a bunch of educators.

[Chris Fowler]

Love the teachers equating their position to those in Egypt.

[NEVRL8T]

Entropy should chime in. He is in the higher education/science field in Wisconsin.

[NeedSpeed]

Originally Posted by Chris Fowler

Love the teachers equating their position to those in Egypt.

I did like walk like an egyptian

[Y2Kvert4me]

Originally Posted by NEVRL8T

Entropy should chime in. He is in the higher education/science field in Wisconsin.

Ted's in Iowa actually, but he's plenty familiar with this state.

What's happening here? Well, white shit keeps falling out of the sky daily, and our new Governor is making good on the campaign promises that got him elected.

No complaints here.

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by NEVRL8T

Entropy should chime in. He is in the higher education/science field in Wisconsin.

I was, now I'm in BFE IA, and trying to get out.

I don't know much about the collective bargaining aspect, but I can tell you about the benefits that educators would receive in WI. They were really freakin' nice.

I came out of grad school and landed a job teaching labs at University of WI Stevens Point. Pay was ~$28K/year, but the health benefits were great at ~$60/month for pretty much everything covered with minimum out of pocket expense, in fact I don't remember paying anything out of pocket. If I wanted vision or dental, it was a very nominal fee for a good benefit, maybe $5/month.

When I left WI and moved to higher ed in IA, price tripled and amount I had to pay increased substantially. My pay level was in line with a similar job back in WI, but the health care costs were higher.

I tried explaining this to my SIL who's in higher ed English back in WI, but she didn't want to hear it at all. They've also got a pretty antiquated system about who can teach what, not based on ability and knowledge but mainly pedigree (i.e. I can teach at a 2 year school in IA with an MS, but I can't in WI because they would require a PhD.)

I love WI, and it's a great state, but it's high time for those working public sector to take their bite of the shit sandwich that is the economy instead of skating through relatively unscathed (I don't count a few furlough days that is ~3% of your pay to be a good enough sacrifice.).

[repo]

Originally Posted by Entropy

I was, now I'm in BFE IA, and trying to get out.

I don't know much about the collective bargaining aspect, but I can tell you about the benefits that educators would receive in WI. They were really freakin' nice.

I came out of grad school and landed a job teaching labs at University of WI Stevens Point. Pay was ~$28K/year, but the health benefits were great at ~$60/month for pretty much everything covered with minimum out of pocket expense, in fact I don't remember paying anything out of pocket. If I wanted vision or dental, it was a very nominal fee for a good benefit, maybe $5/month.

When I left WI and moved to higher ed in IA, price tripled and amount I had to pay increased substantially. My pay level was in line with a similar job back in WI, but the health care costs were higher.

I tried explaining this to my SIL who's in higher ed English back in WI, but she didn't want to hear it at all. They've also got a pretty antiquated system about who can teach what, not based on ability and knowledge but mainly pedigree (i.e. I can teach at a 2 year school in IA with an MS, but I can't in WI because they would require a PhD.)

I love WI, and it's a great state, but it's high time for those working public sector to take their bite of the shit sandwich that is the economy instead of skating through relatively unscathed (I don't count a few furlough days that is ~3% of your pay to be a good enough sacrifice.).

BAM!!!

[Chris Fowler]

Overheard an interview with one of the Democrat "leaders" at the protest.

They said that if they cut pay to the teachers then the teachers will have less money to spend resulting in less money going into the economy which means less tax receipts for the state.

Wow...what an amazing lack of understanding on display.

[G8rDMD]

Originally Posted by repo

Talked to a teacher at the gym yesterday about his. he said the problem is the millionaires in this Country don't pay enough taxes.

It's all about other people supporting their 10 month a year job and 50K pension.

If that's the way he feels, he should feel free (this is America after all) to move to a Socialist country Seeya, don't let the Capitalistic door hit you in the ass on the way out

[Petew1971]

Originally Posted by themonk

I think they're making cheese.

with stupid

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Chris Fowler

Overheard an interview with one of the Democrat "leaders" at the protest.

They said that if they cut pay to the teachers then the teachers will have less money to spend resulting in less money going into the economy which means less tax receipts for the state.

Wow...what an amazing lack of understanding on display.

"Exactly, because everybody knows the best way to stimulate the economy is by handing out more unemployment benefits."

Nancy Pelosi

[Entropy]

Originally Posted by Chris Fowler

Overheard an interview with one of the Democrat "leaders" at the protest.

They said that if they cut pay to the teachers then the teachers will have less money to spend resulting in less money going into the economy which means less tax receipts for the state.

Wow...what an amazing lack of understanding on display.

Totally and completely unsurprised. Many of these individuals lead sheltered lives, and have spent little to no time in the real world.

This observation hinges on my personal experience:
I really believe that most of them don't understand how and where that money comes from, and the idea that the well might run dry is completely foreign to them. It hasn't before, so why would it now?

[thkauffman]

Originally Posted by Entropy

Totally and completely unsurprised. Many of these individuals lead sheltered lives, and have spent little to no time in the real world.

This observation hinges on my personal experience:
I really believe that most of them don't understand how and where that money comes from, and the idea that the well might run dry is completely foreign to them. It hasn't before, so why would it now?

"We'll just print more!"

"I can't be out of money. There are still checks in the checkbook."

[carlton_fritz]

I work with a guy blaming the Republicans about this claiming that it will come to affect the diesel workers union with lower wages. Saying that only the Democrats care about the middle class.

[G8rDMD]

Originally Posted by carlton_fritz

I work with a guy blaming the Republicans about this claiming that it will come to affect the diesel workers union with lower wages. Saying that only the Democrats care about the middle class.

What idiots like that fail to realize is that the Republicans support business owners...business owners who employ the middle class. Dems love to tax the heck out of small business owners which results in lower wages and fewer jobs. Seems pretty elementary unless I'm totally missing something--I'm no economist

[carlton_fritz]

Originally Posted by G8rDMD

What idiots like that fail to realize is that the Republicans support business owners...business owners who employ the middle class. Dems love to tax the heck out of small business owners which results in lower wages and fewer jobs. Seems pretty elementary unless I'm totally missing something--I'm no economist

Dems also raise the minimum wage, making prices go up at the places that employ minimum wage workers. Minimum wage earners maintain the status quo. Middle income people suffer. The employer also cuts hours to offset the increased wages of the workers.

[G8rDMD]

Originally Posted by carlton_fritz

Dems also raise the minimum wage, making prices go up at the places that employ minimum wage workers. Minimum wage earners maintain the status quo. Middle income people suffer. The employer also cuts hours to offset the increased wages of the workers.

That's true, too