So, I got the free Full Self driving trial this morning

[Steve_R]

Does it have a feature to race minivans from stoplight to stoplight while not going more than 10 mph over the speed limit? That would be awesome to do while texting or sleeping.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

Again, you would have slowed down sooner had you not been doing Tesla's work, for free.

I don't mind helping improve a system. I'm just not going to pay for my money to help them. I like cool new technology and I'm happy if I can help to improve the system. It is pretty cool, just not perfect at this time. The difference to the first time I tried FSD is HUGE. They are moving in the right direction.

[SurfnSun]

I can see where time adjusted speed limits would pose a problem for a system like that. Hence the reason a human driver should always be in control.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

I don't mind helping improve a system. I'm just not going to pay for my money to help them. I like cool new technology and I'm happy if I can help to improve the system. It is pretty cool, just not perfect at this time. The difference to the first time I tried FSD is HUGE. They are moving in the right direction.

You mean that you don't mind risking the lives of precious young folk for the betterment of Tesla profits.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by dvarapala

In for the vids.

I will start recording the drive to my daughter's school this afternoon. At the time I will arrive at the school, the flashing light will NOT be on yet, so, I won't be able to recreate the issue I encountered in the morning.

Another potential issue is when leaving the school. When I leave the school, there is no school zone sign and the system has no way of knowing that it is a school zone and that the flashing light is on. The only real way to solve it would be a database that has all the school zone times so that the car will know based on location and time of the day. I see no other way to fix that.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Does it have a feature to race minivans from stoplight to stoplight while not going more than 10 mph over the speed limit? That would be awesome to do while texting or sleeping.

Wouldn't the software techs program this for the posted speed limit and no more? I can see these things poking along an arrow straight two-lane, with a hundred or so cars behind them.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Another potential issue is when leaving the school. When I leave the school, there is no school zone sign and the system has no way of knowing that it is a school zone and that the flashing light is on. The only real way to solve it would be a database that has all the school zone times so that the car will know based on location and time of the day. I see no other way to fix that.

This one's a real challenge for software techs. Not knowing that the car is in a school zone while leaving the school's driveway.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

You mean that you don't mind risking the lives of precious young folk for the betterment of Tesla profits.

No dangerous situation was encountered. Even if the car would have kept going at 45 mph, nothing would have happened except maybe a fine. There are very very few kids crossing the street in that section. Just because I was braking 1 second later for the school zone didn't endanger anyone. Again, the system is supposed to be monitored. It is a BETA product but if we don't test it, it will never be perfect. It's a necessity. I work in software development and we test the shit out of every program that goes into production. My system moves hundreds of billions of $ every day and if there is a coding mistake, it can cost the bank or clients millions and also makes us at risk of getting sued. So, testing is an important thing and that's exactly what the FSD trial does. It gives cool technology in the hands of a lot of people in exchange for valuable testing data gathered by those people.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

This one's a real challenge for software techs. Not knowing that the car is in a school zone while leaving the school's driveway.

Working in IT, the product is only as good as the data going into it. If there is no data that an area is a school zone and the school zone is active, there is zero way for the car to know that UNLESS there is a database with all the school zones and times that the restrictions are active. There is no other way. FSD operates by reading traffic signs. If it doesn't see a sign, it doesn't know about any restriction.

[Swany00]

what's a kid or two for the greater good

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Working in IT, the product is only as good as the data going into it. If there is no data that an area is a school zone and the school zone is active, there is zero way for the car to know that UNLESS there is a database with all the school zones and times that the restrictions are active. There is no other way.

So how can it work when there are temporary lane restrictions, lower speed limits, etc. for short term work, an accident, etc? Those aren't, and can't be, in any database.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

Working in IT, the product is only as good as the data going into it. If there is no data that an area is a school zone and the school zone is active, there is zero way for the car to know that UNLESS there is a database with all the school zones and times that the restrictions are active. There is no other way. FSD operates by reading traffic signs. If it doesn't see a sign, it doesn't know about any restriction.

That's just plain dumb. Signs get taken down, or obstructed, all the time. Some asshole could take one down on purpose, or switch a 30 with a 55 just for kicks.

This is a perfect example of why software techs are not engineers.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

So how can it work when there are temporary lane restrictions, lower speed limits, etc. for short term work, an accident, etc? Those aren't, and can't be, in any database.

It reads the signs and recognizes barriers without an issue. It just has issues with CONDITIONAL signs like the one with a flashing light.
I have taken FSD through construction zones with barriers and temporary speed limits and the car handled it just fine.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

That's just plain dumb. Signs get taken down, or obstructed, all the time. Some asshole could take one down on purpose, or switch a 30 with a 55 just for kicks.

This is a perfect example of why software techs are not engineers.

If a sign is obstructed, even human drivers will miss it.

[GrandSportC3]

The flashing sign in question..

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by GrandSportC3

It reads the signs and recognizes barriers without an issue. It just has issues with CONDITIONAL signs like the one with a flashing light.
I have taken FSD through construction zones with barriers and temporary speed limits and the car handled it just fine.

So if there's a temporary condition without a sign it's useless. Yeah, that's valuable.

Apparently the Tesla engineers haven't been told that there aren't always signs for things, or that lots of signs have flashing lights.

[Vandelay Industries]

Since it's road destruction construction season again, I often wonder how FSD would do when there's a flagman directing traffic. I'm sure it would be flawless.

[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

So if there's a temporary condition without a sign it's useless. Yeah, that's valuable.

Apparently the Tesla engineers haven't been told that there aren't always signs for things, or that lots of signs have flashing lights.

As I said, the system recognizes cones, barriers etc. and will slow down for them even if there is no speed limit sign. I may just look for a construction zone around town and give it a try and post the video. I have FSD for 30 days, so, I'll ty to run through tons of scenarios. I'm sure it will fail in some scenarios and that is a good thing as it will help make the system better as long as I report each mistake that the system is making.

[Steve_R]

I suspect I know the answer, but what would it do here (the small stop sign is for the bike lane next to, but not part of, the roadway; cars are not required to stop there):
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[GrandSportC3]

Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries

Since it's road destruction construction season again, I often wonder how FSD would do when there's a flagman directing traffic. I'm sure it would be flawless.

Actually, that's a good scenario to test. Flagman usually have a temporary STOP sign and FSD is supposed to read that. I'll see if I find a flagman scenario somewhere around town.. Got scenario to test for.