[CFB] Conference Championship Week 2023 College Football Game Day Thread [/CFB]

[Corey_68]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

LSU plays 7-5 Wisconsin who didn't beat a top 25 team this year. Pad those stats so LSU can when a Heisman for being the 4th best QB in the country.

LSU didn't have the luxury to pad stats, Daniels HAD to play to get those 9wins.

Without Daniels this is a 6win team at best with this defense.

You are still booked that he will be the 5th QB drafted.

[lrobe22]

Originally Posted by Corey_68

LSU didn't have the luxury to pad stats, Daniels HAD to play to get those 9wins.

Without Daniels this is a 6win team at best with this defense.

You are still booked that he will be the 5th QB drafted.

You're a generous man. Without the offense, Brian Kelly turned LSU into an Arkansas-level team. We'd be lucky to have 4 wins IMO.

[The_Dude]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

Ouch! That’s gonna leave a mark.

Ducks did get screwed on the bowl they got relegated to play in. They pissed someone off bad.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by zsr22

That's a lot of furious pacing in front of your keyboard to rack up 2.5 miles.

Wrong, but your fan club of one agrees.

[zsr22]

Originally Posted by Onebadcad

Wrong, but your fan club of one agrees.

That's a more sensible reply. Glad you have settled down today. Don't want to see you keel over and miss Michigan, Washington, Texas and Alabama playing in the playoff.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Corey_68

LSU didn't have the luxury to pad stats, Daniels HAD to play to get those 9wins.

Without Daniels this is a 6win team at best with this defense.

You are still booked that he will be the 5th QB drafted.

Without Caleb Williams USC was a 4 win team with a defense worse than LSU



1.Caleb Williams
2. Bo Nix
3. Drake Maye
4/5 Jayden Daniels/Michael Penix jr.

[Anjdog2003]

Oregon should have played Penn. St, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, or at least Iowa.

Liberty's schedule looked a lot like the SEC non-conference games.

[Corey_68]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Without Caleb Williams USC was a 4 win team with a defense worse than LSU



1.Caleb Williams
2. Bo Nix
3. Drake Maye
4/5 Jayden Daniels/Michael Penix jr.

Williams said he might be coming back... Lol

[Steve_R]

Originally Posted by Anjdog2003

Oregon should have played Penn. St, Oklahoma, Ole Miss, or at least Iowa.

Liberty's schedule looked a lot like the SEC non-conference games.

True, but if Oregon had beaten Washington once this year it would be a whole different story.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by zsr22

That's a more sensible reply. Glad you have settled down today. Don't want to see you keel over and miss Michigan, Washington, Texas and Alabama playing in the playoff.

It is very petty to bypass the opportunity for a great exchange by resorting on one's health, for which you know nothing about.

I guess that is your MO,,,

[Onebadcad]

So here it is, objectivity, which means no BS name calling, weak replies and making stupid assumptions about one's health.

If you want to object, be objective, it is what adults do.
I can take a shot, again remove emotion, state where you have better or more factual data.
If you prove me wrong, I will acknowledge, I have no issue with this, we can debate as adults.
If you want to get into the mud, PM me, thanks.

FSU ARGUMENT

1) playoff selection started in 2014, it was the perceived qualification that a Power 5 school going undefeated and winning its conference game was IN
2) since 2014, the start of the playoffs, every Power 5 champion with an undefeated record made the playoffs
3) the committee's official selection principles listed on the playoff website include conference championships won, strength of schedule, head-to-head competition, and comparative outcomes against common opponents
4) 1A weight has always been won-loss record as a POWER 5 TEAM
5) 1B weight has always been winning your Conference Championship AS A POWER 5 TEAM
6) no where has it been mentioned prior to this year’s selection that the committee considers the marketability or viability of the opponents in the first-round playoff games
7) no where has it been mentioned prior to this year’s selection that the committee consider the impact of a player injury in selecting teams
8) based on the objectivity of the committee’s decade-long selection process, FSU hits ALL criteria
9) FSU met all the requirements in the committee’s selection process, FSU, nor any other team, was advised of ‘special’ rules
10) In the first 10 years of the playoffs THERE WERE NO SPECIAL RULES
11) For the very first time, the committee injected another ‘special rule’ regarding injured players, other players were injured in years past, but this is the first year it was weighed
12) the committee should explain their position, and then take questions, as most CFB fans cannot agree with this stance change, it has NEVER occurred before
13) FSU injury DID NOT impede on their undefeated season, nor their Conference Championship
14) In all other sports, continuance of a undefeated season while overcoming injury adversity is a POSITIVE, not in the eyes of the committee
15) So, can one presume, if FSU QB was injured for a game, they lost that game, but QB came back and won Conference Championship, FSU would be in with one-loss and starting QB
16) FSU win w/o QB against state rival on road before 91K fans, they covered the spread
17) FSU Conference Championship win w/o QB was 10 point win, they covered the spread as dogs, defensive play was awesome, 188 total yards given up, -23 yards in 4th quarter
18) So, if one of the four playoffs teams suffer a major injury, such as a starting QB, prior to a game, does FSU replace that team
19) FUmich has a pending investigation for stealing signals and others violations, all were done with coaches permission, their penalty could be HUGE, why was this not weighed
20) FSU beat two Power 5 opponents on the road, bama played one, Taustin and LOST AT HOME,,, ACC beat sec 6-4 in 2023
21) middle tenn, chattanooga, and usf are not currently, nor will they ever be Power 5 schools
22) FSU was 3 and 4 in the polls for over 2 months, winning their Conference Championship lowered their ranking, cite where this has occurred before
23) the comparison of playing similar opponents is always a very strong consideration, FSU beat lsu by more than bama did, FSU beat the spread by greater margin, bama played lsu AT HOME IN AL
24) 2023 – 2024 Bowls, ACC 11 games, sec 9 games, ACC = 74% sec = 64%
25) 2022 – 2023 Bowls ACC .571 sec .545
26) FSU won as a dog in Championship Game, beat spread by more than bama did in their game
27) Coach Norvell’s comments, https://www.tomahawknation.com/flori...tional-sec-acc , state where and why he is wrong
28) FSU is ranked 14th in defense, and 45th in offense, yards per game, NO ONE GOT INJURED ON DEFENSE
29) FSU currently on 19-game win streak, only WASH at 20 is greater, bama is at 11
30) Some complained about TCU being selected last year, FUmich is still upset they got in

[Onebadcad]

Do not see a need to ever reference the AP poll again, EVER:

https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-college-football-poll

AP RANKINGS
Released December 03

Week 15

1 Wolverines Michigan (13-0)
1539 (51)

2 Huskies Washington (13-0)
1499 (11)

3 Longhorns Texas (12-1)
1375 (0)

4 Seminoles Florida State (13-0)
1358 (0)

5 Crimson Tide Alabama (12-1)
1329 (0)

6 Bulldogs Georgia (12-1)
1256 (0)

Gap between FSU and bama is greater than between FSU and texas,,, hmmm??

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Corey_68

Williams said he might be coming back... Lol

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Will

I would if the actual criteria was most deserving. It is not.

The team that actually got jobbed under the explicit guidelines of the CFP was Alabama last year, when the committee put in the more deserving TCU over the clearly better Alabama.

If King Will designed the college football playoff, it would remain 4 teams with the PAC going away and there would be no committee and no verbiage of "deserving" or "best" and instead the 4 Power 4 Conference Champs would go, the end.

Otherwise the BCS was better. As far as I'm concerned, NO one should be complaining about being left out because the entire reason we veered away from the traditional bowl system was that there was occasionally a real argument between #1 and #2, 2 different #1s in the coaches and ap polls, etc. and the 2 teams played in DIFFERENT bowls so the argument could not be settled on the field. The BCS fixed that, and there was no need for a dumb playoff. We had a grand total of ONE season under the BCS where #3 had a legit argument they were #1, undefeated SEC champ Auburn in 2004. But lesser minds than me wanted a dumb playoff, so we got a 4 team playoff.

This season, there is no argument beyond the Top 2 teams who should be ranked #1 in the final poll following conference title week. It's Michigan and Washington. FSU would have been a 3rd team had Travis not been hurt, but he was and FSU's offense stunk the last 2 games. Only Michigan and Washington had an argument to be ranked #1, and only Michigan or Washington would have been criminal to leave out of the playoff. If I, the biggest SEC homer on this board, was in charge of college football, the national champion would be either Michigan or Washington. But we have a dumb 4 team playoff, so I'll be rooting for 'Bama to win it all since I had to endure Ohio State, who should not have been in the title conversation, winning the 1st national title under the dumb playoff committee system.

Thanks for your post, always greatly appreciated AND respected.

The committee selection process should be unbiased, consistent and any changes should be advised at time of changes, NOT at the time of selection.
No one likes for the rules to changes after the results have been completed, this never benefits those most deserving, it also DESTROYS the credibility of the process.
I would bet most in here would walk away from any similar type process in which we felt our best efforts were trumped by subjectivity.

FSU, nor anyone other team, nor any fans, GIVE A CRAP about what happened to bama or any other team last year, or in the last decade.
You play the best you can in the current year and expect objectivity and consistency, the hallmarks of all good processes.
I do not apologize for others, I do not take the hits for your incompetence.

I like your Power 4 Selection Process, and agree it should be LAW, but does little this year for FSU.

I can also agree with your #1 vs. #2 is all that matters.
With that said, FUmich should not be in, too many questions about violations.
Also, #1 vs. #2 is brutal, as schedules against non-conference opponents are made many years in advance, and no one knows how good LSU would be this year when they set the games 5+ years ago, AND no one knows in the next year how strong your conference will be.

FSU got screwed, in the end they would probably not win it all without their starting QB, as too big a hurdle to overcome.

Next year UMiami will win it all, so that is a good consolation!!

[Steve_R]

The Homers on the selection committee were instructed, which will NEVER be made public, that one SEC team absolutely had to be in the playoffs. It really is that simple.

[Onebadcad]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

The Homers on the selection committee were instructed, which will NEVER be made public, that one SEC team absolutely had to be in the playoffs. It really is that simple.

There should be a Congressional Committee Investigation, with no senators from the states of the four teams.

PGA Tour officials recently went before congress,,,

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Steve_R

The Homers on the selection committee were instructed, which will NEVER be made public, that one SEC team absolutely had to be in the playoffs. It really is that simple.

That's a fact. If not Alabama then Georgia. The NCAA loves schools that have 85k fans show up at their spring game and 85k fans when they play Bethune-Cookman, UT-Chattanooga, or Louisiana Monroe.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by Corey_68

Williams said he might be coming back... Lol

USC quarterback Caleb Williams’ college career appears to be over.

Trojans head coach Lincoln Riley said Monday that Williams would not play in the Holiday Bowl against Louisville on Dec. 27. USC was chosen for the Holiday Bowl after a 7-5 regular season that included three consecutive defeats to end the season as the Trojans lost five of their last six contests.

The 2022 Heisman winner is a prohibitive favorite to be selected in the top three of the 2024 NFL Draft, though he has not officially announced if he is declaring for the draft. Draft-eligible players have until Jan. 15 to declare, but it seems highly unlikely that Williams would return to school in 2024 if he's skipping the bowl game.

Williams and North Carolina's Drake Maye are widely seen as the two best draft-eligible quarterbacks in college football. Like Williams, Maye has also not officially declared for the draft yet. North Carolina plays West Virginia in the Duke's Mayo Bowl.

Williams had another remarkable season in 2023 even though USC had a worse season. That decline was primarily because of the team’s defense, not the way Williams and the offense played. After he won the Heisman a season ago by throwing for over 4,500 yards and 42 TDs and five interceptions in 14 games, Williams was 266-of-388 passing for 3,633 yards and 30 passing TDs and five interceptions.

Williams also rushed for 11 TDs in 2023 after he had 10 rushing TDs a season ago.

[higgyburners]

This could get interesting...

https://www.rickscott.senate.gov/202...undefeated-fsu

[Onebadcad]

^^^
the committee can defend this year's selection with past criteria.
Oh wait,,,