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You cannot eliminate competition. If you start paying workers more than they produce, then the business closes. If you start paying workers more than others would be willing to do the same job for, then your product cost is higher and you lose business to the competition or you use the lower cost workers. As far as your citation, it states that workers in Germany make the equivalent of $66.xx in slary and benefits while the USA workers make $33.xx in salary and benefits. So where does the $70.xx/hour that was touted so often during the bailout debates come into play? Auto Worker Salaries It factors in the cost of the pensions and benefits for retired workers extorted out of the Big Three by the unions. These are real costs, and the costs of those pensions (if they don't manage to bankrupt the whole industry) will ultimately benefit the current workers too. Of course, Obama's bailout left these pensions intact while screwing over the stock and bondholders, but that's another discussion for another day. |
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Although it appears it doesn't take "rocket surgery" to get a degree either. You may very well find yourself in their position one day. There is a proverb about walking a mile in a man's shoes. Hope you never have to walk in one of these guys shoes. |
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Also in my original post where did I ever mention a degree? I said Human capital. Which is any type of knowledge that makes a person more valuable than someone else in a skilled position. These people may have degrees in political science and general studies. Congrats worthless degrees. So dont get a degree that is not useful in the real world. |
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Yea! Everyone loses - except for the foreign company! Race to the bottom! |
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And you are a single guy with few obligations. Try raising a family on $15 an hour. Good luck with that, see you in the food stamp line. |
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Can you name said degrees that are working in the plants? |
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no one productive, in fact.....just some .gov agency that only the payroll dept knows he is there, in some corner office..... Joebuck is correct, Phil, you are rong as usual..... I went back and read a few posts..... |
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Notice of their rights has to be posted in their place to work. If they want to organize, they can do it. Paying off some upper level union boss to "represent" them is clearly not in their best interests as judged by them. And as you assessed Mr. Thrakk recently, if you say you are privy to labor negotiations at BMW, then I say you are full of shit. Last edited by Loco Vette; 12-11-2012 at 1:41pm. |
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This from the guy who just said the only difference between the pay of German workers and their American counterparts was the union and the only factor influencing income from State to State was whether they are right-to-work or not...
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Lucky for those who fail to grasp even the most basic tenants of personal responsibility, there are plenty of self righteous dipshits with demented Robin Hood complexes who are more than willing to hand them a check (other people's money of course). |
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Simple concept. |
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$5 says it's a number that would put the plant in the red. |
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When you start compensating people on what they "need" or "deserve" then you generate the dependent titsucking society that lives only to reproduce. Needs are easy to generate. Skills are not, thats why they are valuable. |
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Nissan Workers Move to Unionize | Jackson Free Press | Jackson, MS Workers at Cottondale plant vote to unionize | TuscaloosaNews.com UAW Trying to Unionize Workers at Nissan Plants in Tennessee, Mississippi - WOT on Motor Trend UAW Refocusing its Organization Drive at German Automakers in U.S. - WOT on Motor Trend The unions go in, and then the management has meetings with all employees against joining the union and offers deals to their workers to keep them from voting for the union. |
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