For you Christians

[WydGlydJim]

Originally Posted by KenHorse

Not sure why but this thought popped into my head while iHeart was plugging a podcast about a serial killer.

If a mentally ill person commits murder, do they go to Heaven?

Sure, they have free will but their mind doesn't work correctly and can't tell the difference between right and wrong, right?

As a Christian I would have absolutely no knowledge of whether a person enters heaven or not. That is God's realm completely, as only he knows the human heart. that is what is expressly meant in the judge not verses of matthew 1.........the word for judgement used in the old text is Krino, which is to carry out a sentence like in a legal proceeding, to condemn, or carry out the judgement of a sentence. THAT is what we are called NOT to do.......many many people get this wrong, and think we are not to judge people or behavior. What a ridiculous notion, that we would wander around aimlessly throughout life not judging the behavior, or the people around you....so Joe goes to rob a bank, and you say, well, I shouldn't judge him, and go along with him......how stupid and ridiculous this line of thinking is. In fact John 7:24 tells us exactly HOW to judge...."do not judge by appearances, but instead judge with righteous judgement".......AKA scripture. If we were not to judge at all, the scriptures in matthew would be in contradiction, with John 7:24 and that cannot occur.......so finally please everyone realize it is quite Christian indeed to be judgemental!! Judge away at people's behaviors, and bounce it off of scripture to make a judgement.......however do not condemn the person, that is uniquely God's realm, and all can be redeemed and forgiven and even the hardest heart can be changed according to scripture.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Sadly, I agree. I wish there were something noteworthy that happens after you die, but there just isn't. I think that religion is just that last relic of the ancient times that attempts to keep people civil (guiding principles) and reduce chaos. Unfortunately, I think it has the opposite affect. Religion is extremely divisive and has caused more death throughout humanity than every war we've ever had as a species. Sad that human kind won't let it go. I suppose they don't because the thought of spending eternity with their deity makes death suck less.

And if you are wrong?

[Swany00]

their soul will be reincarnated to a body that will be murdered

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by LATB

And if you are wrong?

I (along with everyone else ever) will never know.

[DDSLT5]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

Sadly, I agree. I wish there were something noteworthy that happens after you die, but there just isn't. I think that religion is just that last relic of the ancient times that attempts to keep people civil (guiding principles) and reduce chaos. Unfortunately, I think it has the opposite affect. Religion is extremely divisive and has caused more death throughout humanity than every war we've ever had as a species. Sad that human kind won't let it go. I suppose they don't because the thought of spending eternity with their deity makes death suck less.

It's takes balls to truly have faith. I hope you get there someday!

I attribute a lot of the problems in society today because the average person doesn't follow the basic moral code in the 10 commandments.

Ain't life a bitch?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Ronins2ndCuzzin

I (along with everyone else ever) will never know.

Perhaps if you are wrong you may know at some point and it may not work out well for you.

[DAB]

didn't anyone ever read about Pascal's wager?

[LATB]

Originally Posted by DAB

didn't anyone ever read about Pascal's wager?

Yes I understand Pascal's wager. Im modern terms, it's like insurance. Rather have it and not need it than the opposite.

[VatorMan]

According to Southern Baptist teaching, a lot like Catholic. As long as you confess your sins and accept Jesus you are saved. That goes for serial killers as well.

I was always jealous of Catholic kids. Could raise holy hell during the week and confess on Sunday-clean slate.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

According to Southern Baptist teaching, a lot like Catholic. As long as you confess your sins and accept Jesus you are saved. That goes for serial killers as well.

I was always jealous of Catholic kids. Could raise holy hell during the week and confess on Sunday-clean slate.

It really doesn't work that way.

[VatorMan]

Originally Posted by LATB

It really doesn't work that way.

Oh, but it does. As long as you confess your sins and truly accept, yes it does according to SB teachings.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

Oh, but it does. As long as you confess your sins and truly accept, yes it does according to SB teachings.

Nope.

It is not your actions, it is what is in your heart.

[jw38]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

According to Southern Baptist teaching, a lot like Catholic. As long as you confess your sins and accept Jesus you are saved. That goes for serial killers as well.

I was always jealous of Catholic kids. Could raise holy hell during the week and confess on Sunday-clean slate.

Originally Posted by LATB

It really doesn't work that way.

Correct

Originally Posted by VatorMan

Oh, but it does. As long as you confess your sins and truly accept, yes it does according to SB teachings.

Not Catholic confession. No mortal man (priest) can forgive you of your sins. It's not just about confessing your sins and accepting Jesus, it's also what's in your heart.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Originally Posted by LATB

Nope.

It is not your actions, it is what is in your heart.

Yup!

[slewfoot]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

According to Southern Baptist teaching, a lot like Catholic. As long as you confess your sins and accept Jesus you are saved. That goes for serial killers as well.

I was always jealous of Catholic kids. Could raise holy hell during the week and confess on Sunday-clean slate.

As much as I am a born again by the blood all time bible believing Christian, I do have trouble turning the other cheek. Kids or adults thinking weekly confession cleans that slate also shows no accountability.

I wouldn't give a nickle to a tv preacher. Especially Joel Osteen. That guy is full of more shit than a septic tank.

At the end of each day, I will reflect a bit and ask myself if I did anything at all that was nice. Not planned and simply spur of the moment. Nothing serious at all, simple to major.

Example: yesterday, I went to the grocery store. As I was walking in, an old lady with a cane was beside me which I had then passed by.

I went to get a cart and you know how you need to wrestle and pull the fk out of them sometimes to separate them. So I did, then turned around and there she was, so I said to her, "here ya go honey." She gave me a smile and we walked off.

[LATB]

Originally Posted by slewfoot

As much as I am a born again by the blood all time bible believing Christian, I do have trouble turning the other cheek. Kids or adults thinking weekly confession cleans that slate also shows no accountability.

I wouldn't give a nickle to a tv preacher. Especially Joel Osteen. That guy is full of more shit than a septic tank.

At the end of each day, I will reflect a bit and ask myself if I did anything at all that was nice. Not planned and simply spur of the moment. Nothing serious at all, simple to major.

Example: yesterday, I went to the grocery store. As I was walking in, an old lady with a cane was beside me which I had then passed by.

I went to get a cart and you know how you need to wrestle and pull the fk out of them sometimes to separate them. So I did, then turned around and there she was, so I said to her, "here ya go honey." She gave me a smile and we walked off.

Being nice is good but it does not get you into heaven.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by jw38

Correct



Not Catholic confession. No mortal man (priest) can forgive you of your sins. It's not just about confessing your sins and accepting Jesus, it's also what's in your heart.

Romans 10:9
If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.




Yup!

Well, shit, there goes my plan to buy a bunch of indulgences from the Catholic Church to cover whatever wrongdoing I have done.

Damn.

[Anjdog2003]

Originally Posted by VatorMan

I was always jealous of Catholic kids. Could raise holy hell during the week and confess on Sunday-clean slate.

If their hearts were right. I knew some mafia guys that would go to Mass and confess their sins, i guarantee their hearts weren't right.

[Don Rickles]

What about that huge door on the Vatican? It's only opened every 25 years, with an exception now and then. But a believer is to have all their sins forgiven as they pass through this doorway. So, the trick is to die as soon as possible after going through, because, we sin.

The forgiven sinner would be then be welcomed into Heaven.

This was the story told to me while visiting years ago....

[Bill]

[Ronins2ndCuzzin]

Originally Posted by LATB

Perhaps if you are wrong you may know at some point and it may not work out well for you.

How would anyone ever know? How would I?

You're taught religion. It's a thought/memory in your brain (and sure, I'll give those who "feel" it a nod here too). However, when you die, so does your brain along with every memory, feeling, etc. After my death, I won't be worried about anything, no heaven, no hell, nothing...because my brain is dead. Everything you were taught in your life becomes irrelevant.

I believe religion was taught to humanity through time as an answer to the question of what happens when you die. Since death is permanent and typically not pleasant, the thought of a "heaven" or some all powerful deity welcoming you to some eternal party, makes death suck less. It also has a beneficial second order affect of keeping people in line. IE If you don't play nice, you don't get into heaven. It's a nice thought. But not one that I'm willing to believe without actual proof.