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03-25-2024, 6:49am | #1981 | |||||||
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For starters, the sales people have nothing to do with the marketing. And most are working for "flats" where they get a small fixed number (flat rate) for each sale. So it doesn't matter to them what you pay for the car/truck because they are not working off a percentage of the sale, they just want to move units. Most of these sales people don't really make much money and have been relegated to clerk status throughout most of the industry. Sure some are not the best at customer relations but I would not call them scum. |
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No laws have been broken and no one has been misled into buying anything. Unless, as you've said, they have less than half a brain so maybe they should not be buying or will wise up soon enough. |
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Once you find that the vehicle is available then you can begin your sale negotiations, either online or through phone conversation, or both. If you can secure a deal in writing that you are comfortable with, then you probably have bought a car. Otherwise it may pay your to visit the dealership to negotiate and finalize your deal. It is not rocket science. |
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I don't think that it would be consistent to a) ask for EPA range numbers to be more accurate but b) don't want advertised prices to be more accurate |
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Also, what is your thought of dealers advertising low priced cars that sold weeks ago and when you get to the dealership, they tell you that the car was sold but they have other, higher priced ones available. Is this acceptable to you? |
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Do you think that this would mislead customers? |
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It's all meaningless because the price is negotiable. |
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I do not believe that happens very often. If it was systematic the dealership would be called out and penalized. |
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BTW, what you think of this ad? Honest or Misleading? (maximize image) Look at the range numbers and disclaimer.. |
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I don't care about the EPA testing bullchit. I have NEVER bought a vehicle based on those numbers, that BTW we all know are not accurate. |
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That's exactly what they are doing.. Look at the ad I made up.. It has the disclaimer that efficiency was measured at 30 mph with 80 mph tail wind, JUST LIKE dealers adding in small print that the price is after all possible discounts (that most can't get). Just like nobody drives 1000+ miles at 30 mph with 80 mph tail wind, virtually nobody is able to get all the discounts.
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So, technically it's not a lie if they did that test and it turned out with that range. They printed the disclaimer on the bottom right of the page. What's wrong with that? |
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On the range, I do not believe tany EV has a 1300 mile range. But I am not an EV buyer so I have not done any research, so I don't care. |
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All that I'm trying to say is that advertising this way (even though LEGAL) is misleading. I added the disclaimer in a font that is close to the background color but still readable. Most people will just look at the 1326 mile range and not see the disclaimer. So, they will be misled even though the claim may be true considering the disclaimer. At 30 mph with 80 mph tail wind, you may be able to go very far in any car. Just add a sail and you won't use any battery or gas
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I added the legal disclaimer how the range was achieved. Obviously, nobody will be able to replicate that as nobody will be able to go 1300 miles on flat surface with 80 mph tail wind but because there is a disclaimer, it makes it LEGAL.. Obviously, it doesn't make it right. The ad I made up is clearly misleading on range. I should have added.. going downhill at 15% grade as well
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I remember you posting that EV buyers are mostly high earners and conservative smart thinkers. Maybe not. |
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You want to pass laws and regulate the entire internet because people are too stupid to read. Where does your protection of idiots end? You going to regulate facebook marketplace? You going to regulate every advertisement in every industry... or is it only car buyers that you think are too stupid to read? Elon calls his piece of shit a "truck". Imagine how many idiots are misled by that one. On the website it shows the below. It can go 340 miles while towing 11,000lbs and still has a 2.6s 0-60. Amazing. Funny, it never says that you can pick 1 at a time (except 340 mile range which of course isn't happening at all). Imagine that, listing a bunch of things that are impossible to happen at the same time. Hmmm. Wait a minute. What are those little (*) and (+) symbols by those numbers? MISLEADINGGGGGG!!!!!!! Let me guess... that's different. |
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Just admit you can't show us even one example of what you keep ranting about. You made the claim, prove it or STFU. |
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