So let's talk about EV battery range....

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Bruze

Me too, hopefully.

I'm glad I'm not a lot younger.

Sadly I'm in the same boat and grateful....

Biden will complete his train across the Indian Ocean before I plunk my skinny ass down behind the wheel of an EV....

Just as soon as they are everywhere and ubiquitous watch what happens to the cost of electricity. Is it just me or do others remember cable TV at the outset ? 10 bucks a month, no commercials, wide range of programming included - and now ?

[Rodnok1]

Nothing against EVs.. Except we all have to pay up front for massive upgrades to power grids and ph yea wtf is this power coming from since alot of coal plants are being shuttered or already have been.
So not only cost for upgrades but much higher rates, electric companies will soon have us by the frankz n beans and we'll be totally screwed.

[DJ_Critterus]

i spend roughly $500/mo on diesel. Was looking at the mini cooper ev for daily commute wich is 80 miles round trip. just going over the basics and a payment, insurance, and extended warranty would be much less than my fuel expenses. charging wouldn't be much either.

Little brother has one and loves it.

[Rodnok1]

Any smaller gaser would cut your expenses greatly.

[ptindall]

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus

i spend roughly $500/mo on diesel. Was looking at the mini cooper ev for daily commute wich is 80 miles round trip. just going over the basics and a payment, insurance, and extended warranty would be much less than my fuel expenses. charging wouldn't be much either.

Little brother has one and loves it.

You're not wrong. But you can save even more money by just buying an older smallish car. Cheaper insurance and registration as well. Putting all those miles on a new EV will cost you in depreciation. Putting them on an older car that already has miles depreciates it very little.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Nothing against EVs.. Except we all have to pay up front for massive upgrades to power grids and ph yea wtf is this power coming from since alot of coal plants are being shuttered or already have been.
So not only cost for upgrades but much higher rates, electric companies will soon have us by the frankz n beans and we'll be totally screwed.

The EVIL here is the GOVERNMENT. Politically forced distortion of markets never ends well.

Artificially increasing demand and purposely limiting supply of anything will cause prices increase along with likely spotty supply.

But that's alright, two of my lunch buddies (both Trumpists) ALWAYS blame companies first for any problems, never the government. Government is always an innocent bystander.

You are in the majority of thinking.

[theandies]

Originally Posted by Bruze

The EVIL here is the GOVERNMENT. Politically forced distortion of markets never ends well.

Artificially increasing demand and purposely limiting supply of anything will cause prices increase along with likely spotty supply.

But that's alright, two of my lunch buddies (both Trumpists) ALWAYS blame companies first for any problems, never the government. Government is always an innocent bystander.

You are in the majority of thinking.

Damn straight it's the government and it's not just our government but governments all over the world. They think the world is warming and I ask warming from what temperature? No human can answer that question because this temperature doesn't exists. It's a man made construct.

This has nothing to do with the environment, that is just a convenient cover. This is all about control. Control where you go, when you go, how you go etc.

I'm a conservative and all these problems START WITH GOVERMENT BOTH SIDES.

[Yadkin]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

When I moved from Upstate New York in '96, electricity was 15 cents per kwh. Their excuse for being so expensive? "Because we generate with nuclear power."

I was pleasantly surprised at the low rates in Winston-Salem NC. Their stated reason for being so low: "Because we generate with nuclear power".

[TheRealBadger]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

Fresno. 51 cents per Kwh at peak.

Oh, so not above 50 cents if you charge outside the 3 hour peak window which is what most smart people would do.

[RedLS1GTO]

Originally Posted by TheRealBadger

Oh, so not above 50 cents if you charge outside the 3 hour peak window which is what most smart people would do.

Just because I'm bored in a meeting I decided to look...

Peak (highest price) – 4 p.m. to 9 p.m. Monday through Friday (except most holidays)

https://www.pge.com/en_US/residentia...ost%20holidays

Yea... because who would want to charge their car in the evening anyway.

[Yadkin]

Badger is wrong-o, as usual.

[Torqaholic]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

...Is it just me or do others remember cable TV at the outset ? 10 bucks a month, no commercials, wide range of programming included - and now ?

Never subscribed but I remember being offered a free month without asking several times. Just like drug pushers, first sample is free

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by theandies

Damn straight it's the government and it's not just our government but governments all over the world. They think the world is warming and I ask warming from what temperature? No human can answer that question because this temperature doesn't exists. It's a man made construct.

This has nothing to do with the environment, that is just a convenient cover. This is all about control. Control where you go, when you go, how you go etc.

I'm a conservative and all these problems START WITH GOVERNMENT BOTH SIDES.

It's brainwashing by the establishment; like all Marxists, they hate capitalism (i.e. economic freedom) and blame "capitalism" for anything that goes wrong in any market. Government interference and distortions are never brought up.

One of my "conservative" buddies remains mostly clueless about a lot of things. This is probably fairly common though: He's blaming companies and local businesses for raising prices.

Maybe it's not that widely known but rising prices are not the cause of inflation, they are a reaction to government debasing the currency -- especially during a sagging economy. "Too much money chasing too few goods" is the classic definition of inflation.

Oh well, I think we're all screwed in the long run.

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

When I moved from Upstate New York in '96, electricity was 15 cents per kwh. Their excuse for being so expensive? "Because we generate with nuclear power."

I was pleasantly surprised at the low rates in Winston-Salem NC. Their stated reason for being so low: "Because we generate with nuclear power".

In the past 10(?) years my rates have varied from around 6¢ to 12-14¢ or so, depending on what plan I choose and the normal variables over time.

We've been waiting for the government-induced spike the past couple of years but it hasn't happened (yet).

[Bruze]

Originally Posted by Yadkin

Badger is wrong-o, as usual.

[ThePirate]

Originally Posted by GTOguy

I have a relative in NC who has a Tesla for around town. He pays 6 cents per KWH for electricity. So it costs him $3 to drive 200+ miles.
Where I live in CA, electricity is over 50 cents per KWH, so it's about 9 times more expensive to charge. Almost $30 to drive 200 miles. And, where I am, we are on rotational brown-outs and no-charge periods with tiered (punitive) hours of power use. So our grid cannot handle it. Where I am, in hot central CA, with big distances, EV's don't make sense at all.

nor does living in Ca.

[ThePirate]

Originally Posted by Rodnok1

Nothing against EVs.. Except we all have to pay up front for massive upgrades to power grids and ph yea wtf is this power coming from since alot of coal plants are being shuttered or already have been.
So not only cost for upgrades but much higher rates, electric companies will soon have us by the frankz n beans and we'll be totally screwed.

Bidenomics has that all figured out. Just put a wind turbine on every roof and count the benefits. Of course they are finding out that wind farms actually produce electricity that costs a lot more than it does now. That's the American way.

[GTOguy]

Anybody else besides Uncle Tony and I who thinks Chrysler is committing corporate suicide by eliminating the Hemi and going full on EV beginning next year?

I think it'll bankrupt the company. Again. What a bunch of dumb-shits.

[DJ_Critterus]

Originally Posted by ThePirate

Bidenomics has that all figured out. Just put a wind turbine on every roof and count the benefits. Of course they are finding out that wind farms actually produce electricity that costs a lot more than it does now. That's the American way.

Notice how the environuts scream about everything when wind and solar isn't being used, but they shut right up when it's pointed out how many birds the windmills kill each year?

[ThePirate]

Originally Posted by bill_daniels

Is that 230 reliable? Pretty much so unless driving fast all the time.


Do you find yourself out and about, in traffic, say at 180 or so, and worry about getting stuck in a traffic jam? Actually in traffic jams you use no motor but you do use a little battery having AC on, or driving up long hills/mountains. Of course when going down the hills/mountains, the car recharges itself.



What I am asking is, what's your actual practicable range? If you've got 190 miles ( used, I guess), it's 10 miles home, and you're thinking about adding a 5 mile each way detour to that last trip, are you very sure there's no issue with putting 210 miles on the car, almost exhausting the battery? Not sure If I understand your last sentences. But if you're saying you have a 190 mile trip (is it 190 one way or round trip?) you can pretty confidently assume I can go the entire 230 miles total. Of course you can always pull into free/pay chargers, which are everywhere, put 10 or 20 miles on, and easily get home.

And does the car perform the same with the battery at a 10 or 15% charge? Yes.

See above.