Trump Broke: The Ukraine Signs Mineral Deal.....Finally

[Bill]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitic...elensky-regime

Kremlin Reacts To Minerals Deal Signing: 'Trump Has Broken The Zelensky Regime'

by Tyler Durden
Thursday, May 01, 2025 - 08:05 AM

The Kremlin has said that what the newly signed minerals deal between Ukraine and Washington does is effectively force Kiev to pay for all future military aid.

"Trump has broken the Kyiv regime to the point where they will have to pay for U.S. aid with mineral resources," Medvedev, a former Russian president and current deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council, stated on Telegram.
Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent and Ukrainian Economy Minister Yulia Svyrydenko sign the deal. US Department of the Treasury/Reuters

"Now they will have to pay for military supplies with the national wealth of a disappearing country," he said of the Ukrainians.

As of yet, the full contents of the newly inked deal, finalized and signed late in the day Wednesday, have not been revealed, but it gives the United States preferential access to new Ukrainian minerals deals and its natural resources like oil and gas, and will fund investment in Ukraine's reconstruction.

But the Zelensky government was able to get something crucial dropped at the last minute. As CNN details, "Compared to earlier drafts, the final agreement is reportedly less lopsided in favor of the US and is not as far-reaching. It stipulates that future American military assistance to Ukraine will count as part of the US investment into the fund, rather than calling for reimbursement for past assistance."

President Trump's initial reaction after the signing was seen in the following:

Speaking Wednesday in a call with NewsNation, Trump said he made the deal to “protect” Washington’s contribution to the Ukrainian war effort. “We made a deal today where we get, you know, much more in theory, than the $350 billion but I wanted to be protected,” Trump said.

“I didn’t want to be out there and look foolish,” he continued, voicing the administration's longtime complaints that Zelensky only asks for "more and more" - and yet is still losing the war.

Meanwhile, the ceasefire process is still basically stalled, as neither side has backed off of their demands and conditions. President Zelensky has recently reiterated that he can't even legally give up Crimea.

However, Trump presidential special envoy for Ukraine and Russia Keith Kellogg has told Fox News that Ukraine is ready to make territorial concessions, but wouldn't see any ceded territory as a permanent situion.

"Not de jure forever, but de facto, because the Russians actually occupy that and they've agreed to that. They know that if they have a ceasefire in place, which means you sit on the ground that you currently hold, that's what they're willing to go to," the envoy said. "You have your line set, and they're willing to go there," Kellogg emphasized.

But it's clear the Kremlin sees this as an issue of sovereignty and permanence, given President Putin has described the four annexed territories and Crimea as "ours forever"

Sounds like we didn't get a great deal, then again, that quote was from CNN, so take it with a grain of salt. Still, US firms investing in oil and gas and mineral extraction should be all the security guarantee the Ukraine needs. We're obviously not going to stand by and see our mines and oil wells destroyed or captured by Russia and do nothing.

This is more in line with the Ron Paul peace through trade and tourism strategy.

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[jw38]

Fuck CNN.

[Bill]

On the bright side, Hunter should now have more employment opportunities, given his expertise in Ukranian oil and gas. I'd imagine several companies snapping him up as board members.

[Frankie the Fink]

What outcome in the Ukraine would the media praise if Trump was behind it ?
HINT: None.

[Yadkin]

I hope it works...

[LATB]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

What outcome in the Ukraine would the media praise if Trump was behind it ?
HINT: None.

This ^^^

Trump could end the war...reinstate Crimea back to Ukraine...raise the all of the dead casualties from the war...rebuild the country with his own money...

And the media would find something to hate about it all...because Trump.

[Swany00]

Originally Posted by LATB

This ^^^

Trump could end the war...reinstate Crimea back to Ukraine...raise the all of the dead casualties from the war...rebuild the country with his own money...

And the media would find something to hate about it all...because Trump.

If Trump cured cancer they'd whine about him destroying a multi billion dollar industry

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Swany00

If Trump cured cancer they'd whine about him destroying a multi billion dollar industry

That one would objectively be true. Tens or Hundreds of thousands in the medical and associated fields would be out of work. No way that if something like an Ivermectin/Fenbenozole drug cocktail could cure cancer would that be allowed to be used, because it would put countless people out of work, and devastate whole industries.

[Frankie the Fink]

I fondly remember the media and leftists praising Biden's Afghanistan exit, with dead soldiers, $80 billion in military hardware abandoned, bodies raining from the sky and allies and Americans abandoned. Jen Psaki called it the 'greatest airlift in history'.

This after Biden had publicly stated "The Tolly-ban [sic] couldn't possibly overrun Kabul" a couple of weeks earlier.

America's ass kicked by 11the century tribesmen.

In reality it was a strategic and intelligence debacle that will be studied as an historic failure in military academies for decades.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Frankie the Fink

I fondly remember the media and leftists praising Biden's Afghanistan exit, with dead soldiers, $80 billion in military hardware abandoned, bodies raining from the sky and allies and Americans abandoned. Jen Psaki called it the 'greatest airlift in history'.

This after Biden had publicly stated "The Tolly-ban [sic] couldn't possibly overrun Kabul" a couple of weeks earlier.

America's ass kicked by 11the century tribesmen.

In reality it was a strategic and intelligence debacle that will be studied as an historic failure in military academies for decades.

What do you want to study? Everyone from Alexander the Great to the USSR took their turns trying to conquer Afghanistan, and failed. Of course we were going to fail as well. Had Trump not been cheated, I suspect we would be holding Bagram as spoils of a lost war, and the pull out would have been handled better, we would have left less equipment there, but the outcome would be the same. The second America pulled out, the Taliban were going to take over, and all weapons, equipment and materiel left for the 'Afghan Army' would have immediately gone to the Taliban anyway.

The only way to actually 'win' a war there would be to literally blow up the whole country with nukes, killing everyone, completely destroying it, leaving it a radioactive heap where nothing can live. We were unwilling to do that, and, here we are.

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Bill

What do you want to study? Everyone from Alexander the Great to the USSR took their turns trying to conquer Afghanistan, and failed. Of course we were going to fail as well. Had Trump not been cheated, I suspect we would be holding Bagram as spoils of a lost war, and the pull out would have been handled better, we would have left less equipment there, but the outcome would be the same. The second America pulled out, the Taliban were going to take over, and all weapons, equipment and materiel left for the 'Afghan Army' would have immediately gone to the Taliban anyway.

The only way to actually 'win' a war there would be to literally blow up the whole country with nukes, killing everyone, completely destroying it, leaving it a radioactive heap where nothing can live. We were unwilling to do that, and, here we are.

Are you serious ? Maybe study how a completely avoidable military/political atrocity can be avoided next time...

We weren't going to win in Afghanistan as you note, but getting out didn't have to be a goatf*ck...

Don't confuse horrible military tactics/strategy results that occur with (and because of) stupid political decisions...

[BayouCountry]

Gotta love how the Trump administration thinks outside the box. This ties America to Ukraine and puts pressure on Putin to negotiate. Hopefully, Zelenskyy is finally realizing he has to give up some land to save lives.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by BayouCountry

Gotta love how the Trump administration thinks outside the box. This ties America to Ukraine and puts pressure on Putin to negotiate. Hopefully, Zelenskyy is finally realizing he has to give up some land to save lives.

I'd prefer if we didn't tie ourselves to the Ukraine, but that's just me. They sign this not-so-great deal, and then it looks like the peace negotiations just stalled and Trump pulled out? I'm sure we're still shoveling money over there on a lost cause.

This seems to be shaping up as a foreign policy failure in my eyes.

[LATB]

As I understand it, this mineral deal is a way of getting repaid for the billions that Biden sent over there.

[Bill]

https://nypost.com/2025/05/02/us-new...ment-official/

US stepping back from peace talks role to end war between Russia and Ukraine: State Department official
By Patrick Reilly
Published May 2, 2025
Updated May 2, 2025, 10:41 a.m. ET

The US is stepping back from its involvement in peace talks between Russia and Ukraine to end the war, a State Department official signaled Thursday.

State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce told reporters that the US “will not be the mediators” going forward, reflecting President Trump’s frustration at the lack of progress between Kyiv and Moscow in ending the bloodshed.

“We are not going to fly around the world at the drop of a hat to mediate meetings,” she said, adding that the US remains committed to helping reach a deal.
Donald Trump and Ukraine's President Volodymyr Zelensky meet in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC, February 28, 2025. 5
President Trump and Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky meet in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, DC, February 28, 2025. AFP via Getty Images

“It is now between the two parties, and now — now is the time that they need to present and develop concrete ideas about how this conflict is going to end. It’s going to be up to them,” Bruce said.

Bruce said the Trump administration has been frustrated by Russian President Vladimir Putin seemingly dragging his feet on taking any meaningful steps towards peace despite repeatedly saying he’s ready to do so.


“We are watching Putin’s actions, right, not his words. And in the process, he’s refined a very specific timeline. Weeks ago it was weeks; a few days ago it was days,” she said.

“This would be a pivotal week,” she added.

Bruce’s comments come as the US finally inked a lucrative minerals deal with Ukraine Wednesday after two months of intense negotiations, potentially souring Moscow’s willingness to come to the table.


The agreement created a shared investment fund to which both nations will contribute — with Washington having the option to earn credit toward their contributions in the form of military equipment, technology or training it gives to Kyiv’s forces.

Ongoing deliveries of military aid approved by Congress under former President Joe Biden are expected to run out next month and it is unclear whether the Republican-controlled House will sign off on additional materiel.

However, Ukraine has continued to purchase weapons and equipment directly from US manufacturers. On Tuesday, the State Department informed the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that it had signed off on a license for “the export of defense articles, including technical data, and defense services to Ukraine” worth at least $50 million.


Ukrainian sources have also told The Post that they hope the mineral deal will persuade the US government to sell military equipment directly to Kyiv, which Washington has resisted in the past.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky last month said he asked Trump if Ukraine could purchase up to 10 Patriot missile systems — which are only made by the US — for $15 billion, only to be turned down by the president.

Vice President JD Vance and Secretary of State Marco Rubio have similarly said that it’s ultimately up to Ukraine and Russia to make their own peace.

“It’s going to be up to them to come to an agreement and stop this brutal, brutal conflict,” Vance said in an interview on Fox News’ “Special Report with Bret Baier” show.

As the conflict currently stands, Vance said, “It’s not going anywhere.”

“It’s not going to end any time soon,” he said.

“For the Ukrainians, yes, of course they are angry that they were invaded, but are we going to continue to lose thousands and thousands of soldiers over a few miles of territory this or that way?”

Rubio, appearing separately on Fox News’ “Hannity”, said that unless a “real breakthrough” is made soon, President Trump “is going to have to make a decision about how much more time we’re going to dedicate to this.”


The Kremlin on Monday declared a 72-hour pause in fighting next week to mark the 80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany — but officials believe it’s a public relations stunt rather than a move towards ending the war.

The temporary truce is set to start at midnight on May 8 and last until the end of May 10, which aligns with Moscow’s Victory Day holiday.

[Bill]

Originally Posted by LATB

As I understand it, this mineral deal is a way of getting repaid for the billions that Biden sent over there.

As I understand it, the deal only recoups US money from now on, not retroactive, which is why the little midget kept refusing to sign.

This whole debacle is making Trump look weak. He obviously cannot end the war, because he is unable to stop the US from funding it. If we cut them off today, I guarantee there would be a peace deal within a month. As it is, look what happened. Trump, the deal maker, is so frustrated, he just withdrew us from peace negotiations.

[Frankie the Fink]

Originally Posted by Bill

On the bright side, Hunter should now have more employment opportunities, given his expertise in Ukranian oil and gas. I'd imagine several companies snapping him up as board members.

Hunter can't pedal Daddy's title around and nor can papa get prosecutors fired for looking too closely at his dealings...

So, not seeing a resurgence of Hunter's influence pedaling...he can't even stagger around the WH anymore, stoned, playing 'hide the coke'.

[Frankie the Fink]

Zelinskyy sitting across the bargaining table from the author or "The Art of the Deal"
Its like Mike Tyson beating up a school girl.....