After reading through all this, I know why I don't participatein these discussions, the animus, the bullshit, the name calling, the none of this is funny nor entertainng, some of it borders on the sicko side.
Yes, I know it's some folks cup of tea and I guess it provides some sort of relief or satisfaction of letting off steam, or whatever.
What it boils down to here is that there are no winners, and no losers. If you guys were all sitting together in person, not a one of you would bring up this crap.
I guess those I'm tougher than you are stuff manifests itself behing those keyboards.
You all have a nice day now.