[Scissors]

Originally Posted by Slo Yelo C5

Fair enough. I present two counterpoints. Please explain.

1. You mentioned poverty of blacks is a big cause of black crime/violence. Would you say most Jews came over to the US over the past century with lots of money?

My family immigrated from Belorussia (Belarus). Part of them in the 1890's and the other half after The Holocaust (the few that hadn't been gassed to death). ALL of them came over dirt poor. They settled in Jewish neighborhoods in Boston and NYC were the MAJORITY of the Jewish immigrants were dirt poor. They experienced widespread antisemitism. From the time they immigrated (1890's) all the way through the 1960's-1970's. Yet, they all studied hard, worked sheet jobs, and got ahead. Not turned to crime despite no opportunity and being poor.

My grandfather got a PhD in 1937. If you're not aware, in 1937, a PhD was a VERY big deal. I'll say less than 0.01% of the population had a PhD back then.

He was turned down for multiple professor positions at multiple universities in Philly, Boston, and NYC. Multiple times, they flat out told him "We have no place for another Jew". Dead serious. Can you get much more antisemitic?

So he worked even harder to take a low level HS principal position (back in the 1940's--a HS principal made crap money--this was before public sector unions). My family lived at the "bottom of the barrel". They were poor as F. Having steak once each 3-4 months was a dam delicacy.

Despite this, everybody in my family worked hard. None had kids at age 15. They ended up graduating from Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, and NYU and all made something of themselves.

So tell me again how blacks were treated "disproportionately bad" after the Civil Rights Act and couldn't get ahead the same way my Jewish family did?

This is called an "anecdote" and does not even rate as the lowest form of evidence. It falls squarely in the category of "not evidence" along with gut feelings and "my buddy said".

Did you consider that perhaps physical attributes make it move obvious that certain people are definitely Black as compared to whether or not others are definitely Jewish? Did you consider the effects of regional distribution across the U.S. and the variations in opportunities (or lack thereof)? And, again, outliers don't disprove trends. The trend amongst people without means is that they can't pay for better legal defenses, that they have more contacts with law enforcement due to unequal distribution of police forces, that the lack of wealth means they have less to lose--promoting participation in illegal (but not necessarily wrong) activities.

The war on drugs wasn't kicked off with claims that "Jewish men will rape your women." So don't try to pretend the two groups were treated the same. Anti-Semitism is also wrong, but the degree of oppression was not equal between Jews and Blacks in the U.S. at that time.

2. You mentioned how bad cops are. Agreed there are alot of bad apples behind the blue. But do you think a decent number of them go rogue from dealing with sheet bags all day, every day? Is there any possibility?

If this were the case, you would see the rate of homicides committed by police increase with years of experience, after controlling for age.

But let's take your question to its logical conclusion. If cops "go rogue" and become bad because they're dealing with "sheet bags", and those "sheet bags" are presumably mostly Blacks (as per your original post), wouldn't that also mean that the same effect would cause Blacks to "go rogue" and become bad? After all, they're dealing with those same people? So if what you ask were true, why should cops get a pass for their actions stemming from the same cause, but Blacks should not?

Let's also not forget that law enforcement is a job. Unlike being Black, you choose it. This means, by definition, it will draw a certain personality type. It should come as no surprise, then, that a sworn officer is 16.5 times more likely to commit homicide than a Black person. It's even more sad because they often lament about how dangerous their jobs are, but they don't even make the top 10--they're way behind airline pilots, roofers, and taxi drivers.

3. I'm adding a point. Many Asians come to the US poor as F. From Vietnam, Laos, etc. How come they aren't represented in the same way blacks are as far as crime statistics? Or are they simply "not discriminated against"? I'd make the argument being Asian is immensely harder than being black over the past 20+ years in the US.

For the many reasons I already listed, and others. Remember that immigrants bring with them the cultural norms of their source country, including the types of jobs they tend to choose, and differences in how their communities operate. And, again, their race is in a general sense obvious from their physical attributes, so you still wind up with the effects of how others treat them based on their own biases and beliefs.

Even today, study after study shows that a resume with a name that "sounds Black" is significantly more likely to be rejected than an identical resume with a name that sounds White or Asian.

The simple fact is that how successful a group can be on average is controlled, in part, by how other groups perceive them.