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Will 02-26-2011 11:29am
Sub-Forum Moderator ???
 
I've noticed we have a few sub-forum moderators. Like a C4 moderator for example.

How about a PRC moderator? That section is unreadable thanks to a couple of individuals who throw metaphorical feces at the PRC walls all day and thank each other for it. Any attempt at serious discussion or factual debate is quickly met with de-rails, mindless gibberish, or inane Glenn-Beck rantings.

I enjoyed the Wisconsin thread in OT and was glad to see it unlocked, it's nice to have some actual discussion of the facts, figures, etc. There were still some bad posts, but that thread is literally light-years better than any in the actual PRC section.

And while I appreciated it, I'm sure some members would rather that sort of content remain in its own sub-forum. Unfortunately that would have simply prevented the thread from developing, because basically no one wants to wade through the current dung-heap, devoid of any intellectual stimuli, that is PRC.

If that sub-forum were actually any good, I could abandon "The other forum" all together.

Honestly all it needs is a dedicated Shepherd's gentle-hand to keep things on-topic in each thread. We're all adults here and we COULD have a great, stimulating, and even heated discussion/debate section. But apparently it's not possible without a referee of some kind. Posting anything thoughtful or factual in there is an exercise in futility. You get no debate, just off-topic retorts in broken English at best.


My .02 :cheers:

Will 02-26-2011 11:43am
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Originally Posted by Will (Post 163959)
Any attempt at serious discussion or factual debate is quickly met with de-rails, mindless gibberish, or inane Glenn-Beck rantings....

....Posting anything thoughtful or factual in there is an exercise in futility. You get no debate, just off-topic retorts in broken English at best.
i.e.

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/politics-religion-controversy/8856-no-obamacare-god-will-protect-you-2.html

Cybercowboy 02-26-2011 11:55am
Essentially you'd have to ban three or four members from posting there to make it sane. Or am I missing something?

Z06PDQ 02-26-2011 11:57am
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o...ative/sour.jpg

Will 02-26-2011 12:00pm
See posts # 4-8:

https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/p...state-gun.html

Will 02-26-2011 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by Z06PDQ (Post 163980)
Thank you forums user "Z06PDQ" for serving as an example in this thread. Now people don't even have to click on PRC to see what the problem is.

Grow Up

Z06PDQ 02-26-2011 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Will (Post 163992)
Thank you forums user "Z06PDQ" for serving as an example in this thread. Now people don't even have to click on PRC to see what the problem is.

Grow Up
sorry you are so spoiled to having grumpy & milhill [& the rest of the meat eaters] to back you up, but you really ought to realize you're not in Kansas anymore. :seeya: there isn't a damn thing wrong with PRC over here. it's just not what you're used to.

Will 02-26-2011 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Cybercowboy (Post 163977)
Essentially you'd have to ban three or four members from posting there to make it sane. Or am I missing something?
No, no, no.

I'm not calling for a Stalinesque figurehead, Gulags, and shots to the head in dark alleyways. NO bannings. Just a nice, stimulating, debate/discussion forum for all things political (or religious or controversial).

I don't want an echo-chamber. I WANT discussion and debate with people who disagree with me. DISCUSSION and DEBATE being the operative words.

Will 02-26-2011 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by Z06PDQ (Post 164000)
sorry you are so spoiled to having grumpy & milhill [& the rest of the meat eaters] to back you up
Both have banned me multiple times. Try again. And thanks AGAIN for proving my point. Act like an adult.

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but you really ought to realize you're not in Kansas anymore. :seeya: there isn't a damn thing wrong with PRC over here

Really? Care to comment:

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Originally Posted by Will (Post 163988)

Z06PDQ 02-26-2011 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by Will (Post 164003)
Both have banned me multiple times. Try again. And thanks AGAIN for proving my point. Act like an adult.




Really? Care to comment:
dude,don't try to tell me which way the wind blows over there. you're talking to Moses about the Flood. I've seen some of your rabid rants disguised as posts. no wonder you were banned. you & Cyber really should take a good look in the mirror. the replies in that thread you mention are child's play compared to some of the barbaric shit at the other place.

Will 02-26-2011 12:12pm
care.

To.

Comment:

Quote:
Originally Posted by will (Post 163988)

Will 02-26-2011 12:13pm
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Originally Posted by Z06PDQ (Post 164011)
dude,don't try to tell me which way the wind blows over there. you're talking to Moses about the Flood. I've seen some of your rabid rants disguised as posts. no wonder you were banned. you & Cyber really should take a good look in the mirror. the replies in that thread you mention are child's play compared to some of the barbaric shit at the other place.
Yet another example. Please, continue.

Z06PDQ 02-26-2011 12:16pm
when we have to put up a sticky reminding everyone to "cease the death threats" [like you know where] you might have something. until then, just suck it up & do your best at debate. :seeya:

thkauffman 02-26-2011 12:22pm
I would welcome someone who could police the insanity and idiocy. Keeping people on topic would be a nice change. There are a couple who can't play nice. I'd like some debate, like in a few other places, but I don't see that here currently. I rarely go to PR&C here and that's disappointing.

Will 02-26-2011 12:29pm
COMMENT???

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Originally Posted by will (Post 163988)

?????


You still have not refuted my point. Defend this. You can SAY I'm wrong all you want. Great. Now, SHOW US. Please explain the value of these posts and why I am incorrect in labeling them as I have.

You do not like me. We get it. You're mad about this thread. We get it.

STOP deflecting. STOP referencing other forums. STOP changing the subject. Make a valid counter-argument.

As for "sucking it up" "and doing my best at debate" I am. All I desire is an equal and opposite response. I would LOVE for people to DEBATE me. That would make for quite an enjoyable PRC section. And I am not alone. There are more than a few people saddened by the fact that PRC is such a trash heap. People WANT debate and discussion.

All PRC needs is a dedicated moderator. You act as if I'm calling for your head. I'm not. Trust me. :cheers:

PortDawg 02-26-2011 12:32pm
The Moderators for PR&C are : Sneaks, Culookin, Iron Chef

But we all stop through from time to time to help out.

Will 02-26-2011 12:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by PortDawg (Post 164042)
The Moderators for PR&C are : Sneaks, Culookin, Iron Chef

But we all stop through from time to time to help out.
OK. :cheers:

This might explain the problem then.

Culookin - looking at his post history, he hasn't posted once this year, and hasn't posted in PRC since at least 2009 (didn't feel like looking though his whole history)

Sneaks - looked at the first 6 pages of post history. Posts in all sorts of subforums, but none in PRC since at least last October/November, possibly much longer, again I didn't feel like looking though his whole history.

Honestly, I can't say I blame them. :cheers:

If even the Mods stay away it MUST be bad. :rofl:

Chris Fowler 02-26-2011 3:09pm
eh...PR&C here is DU Jr. Not worth the effort.

PR&C at CF was reasonably balanced, but enough nuts on each end made me visit less and less over time.

I like the freedom here without the banning, rejoining battle. I just choose not to participate.

Plenty of the trouble makers at PR&C on CF were returning over and over under different user names. A few of the DU Jr. posters in PR&C here have admitted to doing exactly that over there. Not worth the fight here.

No such thing as "debate" with the DU Jr. folks...

VITE1 02-26-2011 5:40pm
Going into PRC here to try and have a intelligent discussion difficult at best. The NA NA Po Po style of debate is childish and just plain silly.

DAB 02-26-2011 6:37pm
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Originally Posted by VITE1 (Post 164345)
Going into PRC here to try and have a intelligent discussion difficult at best. The NA NA Po Po style of debate is childish and just plain silly.
and why i don't wander into there very often.

problem is, those that like to argue such matters are convinced that they are right, and will rarely listen to a counter argument.

Iron Chef 02-26-2011 8:10pm
Sorry...I wasn't aware that it got that bad. I'll try to stopin more often.

Fair warning: I don't have patience for BS and I will give folks time off if you can't debate like adults.

RetiredSFC 97 02-27-2011 1:35pm
I first came in hoping to find the same type of debate I was accustomed to. What I saw was quite the opposite so I found myself joining in the same type of blabber I read.

That's really not me! I may be a wise guy at times but if the discussion is reasonable then I will be as well.

This site has promise but to make it live up to it's potential it can't be a place where all it becomes is attacks on each or a defense, or an attack, on ideology.

Just my thoughts.

Entropy 02-28-2011 12:27am
I love a good debate where I learn something just as much as Will. Thanks for the check in IC. :cheers:

Will 03-01-2011 1:44pm
Since "Sneaks" and "Culookin" are nowhere to be found, I'd still suggest a new moderator just for PRC. Iron Chef can't (and shouldn't have to) constantly monitor it. A few people who have replied to this thread would make good choices IMO, like Entropy or Chris Fowler (I don't mean to put you out there if you're not interested, just making a suggestion).


:cheers:

Will 03-01-2011 2:11pm
For the love of God....


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u...s/emot-doh.gif

Chris Fowler 03-01-2011 8:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will (Post 168945)
A few people who have replied to this thread would make good choices IMO, like Entropy or Chris Fowler (I don't mean to put you out there if you're not interested, just making a suggestion).
:willy:

jaxgator 03-01-2011 9:48pm
Why was that thread deleted? Just inquiring.

Munch 03-01-2011 10:26pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jaxgator (Post 170194)
Why was that thread deleted? Just inquiring.
It wasn't but the specific post he linked to probably was, they were being naughty.

Thread in question.

Entropy 03-02-2011 11:06am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will (Post 168945)
Since "Sneaks" and "Culookin" are nowhere to be found, I'd still suggest a new moderator just for PRC. Iron Chef can't (and shouldn't have to) constantly monitor it. A few people who have replied to this thread would make good choices IMO, like Entropy or Chris Fowler (I don't mean to put you out there if you're not interested, just making a suggestion).


:cheers:
I'm not against it, but I do spend a lot of time off line, especially on weekends and during the summer (I know, I know, I'm one of those worthless punks who's sucking on the tit, but I do try to make good use of the time I do get off.).

jaxgator 03-17-2011 5:22pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Munch (Post 170264)
It wasn't but the specific post he linked to probably was, they were being naughty.

Thread in question.
:cheers:

Will 03-22-2011 9:11pm
Well this is an unexpected turn of events:


https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/o...-portdawg.html


Scroll to post #36 and beyond.


The people have spoken. I think you know what you need to do IC. :cheers:


:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:

DAB 03-23-2011 10:41pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will (Post 206105)
Well this is an unexpected turn of events:


https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/o...-portdawg.html


Scroll to post #36 and beyond.


The people have spoken. I think you know what you need to do IC. :cheers:


:dance::dance::dance::dance::dance:
Send you to Japan?? Don't be coy. Spit it out. :rofl:

Will 03-24-2011 10:27am
All kidding aside, if not ME can we please get SOMEONE to clean up this festering shit-hole and make it a worthwhile place for discussion.


https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/p...upporters.html


:rolleyes:

high desert 03-24-2011 11:56am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will (Post 208499)
All kidding aside, if not ME can we please get SOMEONE to clean up this festering shit-hole and make it a worthwhile place for discussion.


https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/p...upporters.html


:rolleyes:
:iagree:

OFF TOPIC (90 viewing)

POLITICS, RELIGION AND CONTROVERSY (3 viewing)

There is a reason for the lack of PR&C participation and it's not lack of interest.

Will 03-24-2011 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by high desert (Post 208710)
:iagree:

OFF TOPIC (90 viewing)

POLITICS, RELIGION AND CONTROVERSY (3 viewing)

There is a reason for the lack of PR&C participation and it's not lack of interest.
:iagree:

Will 03-24-2011 6:52pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by entropy (Post 209280)
okay, i'm getting a chance to really think about the video, and what i'm seeing is the idea that somehow, through taxing and spending and government jobs, we're creating wealth (according to the individuals in that video). I don't see government spending as a way to create wealth, rather it's a way to transfer it, since it offers services rather than innovates new technologies and develops new markets. The only real areas where it *might* accomplish that is through the funding in nsf and nih, and even then, the investment is rather small comparatively.

The idea of forcing big business to spend the money or encouraging them to is ludicrous. If there is anything that has been shown forth by government, their ability to control how businesses operate successfully is an absolute and abject failure. Governments are subject to the rule of the market, so when they try to mess with it, it doesn't work. This is the source of crony capitalism, which means that businesses will get in bed with politicians for the short term, because it will make them money, but then they will get out as soon as it stops serving their immediate needs.

The whole idea of comparing tax breaks for big business to 1984 has to be the craziest damn thing i've ever heard. 1984 = big oppressive government, where the idea that cantor had at the beginning of the video is to decrease the size of government. Now if they will actually do that is yet to be seen, but the initial idea that chris and robert had was just nuts.

The idea that somehow letting this government funding continue and will stimulate the economy is a shell game. Yeah, it might work for a little while, but it won't last. It's smoke and mirrors and will only serve for a short time and will not sustain continued growth. Why? Because in it's very essence it is wealth transfer, and not creation. It will just be another bubble. Such short sighted thinking is stupid. Period.

Discussing basic mathematics of economics and comparing it to a religion is a disservice to any points matthews is trying to make. It weakens it as a red herring. People are underwater in their houses = so what in my book. It's only money lost if you actually sell your house, or if you try to borrow against it for some reason. Sometimes investments go badly, and if you can't deal with that, than capitalism is clearly not your game.
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Originally Posted by exotix (Post 209317)
that's it ?

This is your response to the gop/tea party *grand* job creation and taking america back through war on women by eliminating the irs who they also want to police women so to arrest women who want the right to choice ?
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Originally Posted by entropy (Post 209396)
:confused:

What are you talking about?

I was just responding to the video you posted.
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Originally Posted by exotix (Post 209440)
here's what you said ...

This is exactly the point ... When you voted the gop/tea party in on jobs creation ... (or the dems lack of due to gop filibustering on every stimulus issue for the last 2 years ...) .. You got baffled with bs because now the gop/tea party says you voted them in on *conservative core values* ...

Eliminating abortion rights and make the irs police women while eliminating the irs is *conservative (taliban) religion* as the main economic theme thus far ...

Time to stop playing dumb on vbpr&c ...


:seeya:

gmafb.

Curvette 03-24-2011 7:10pm
:waiting:

PortDawg 03-24-2011 7:27pm
I spend time in there....when I can.....I'll drop in today !

Entropy 03-24-2011 7:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Will (Post 209459)
gmafb.
If I'm going to keep it up Will, I'm going to need a lot more beer. :beer: Or whiskey. Yeah. :shots:

Will 03-25-2011 8:08am
Quote:
Originally Posted by PortDawg (Post 209532)
I spend time in there....when I can.....I'll drop in today !

Port Dawg, do not burden yourself so my friend.


The people have spoken: https://www.thevettebarn.com/forums/o...-portdawg.html


See post #36 and beyond.


DO IT !!! :cheers:


I will serve the interests of my people with humility and grace. :)

thkauffman 03-25-2011 12:07pm
Hey PD and IC and any others who might be looking:

I really appreciate this place. It's like few others. For the most part, people conduct themselves like adults. Even in BtB, people know the rules and stick by them. Very few things have I seen that have gone way past the line.

If there is one place on this forum where the above is not true, it's in PR&C. There are a bunch of intellectual children in there having the run of the place. I was a very active member at that other place precisely because there was debate and was well moderated. I find myself visiting that section here once a week because of the incessant spouting of BUSH/CHENEY/HALLIBURTON/PALIN/BECKERHEAD and other such nonsense.

I can handle my political positions quite well because I'm informed and I trust in my ability to reason. I appreciate a good debate and being questioned on my beliefs. What we get here are a bunch of incoherent responses that are the equivalent of, "nanny nanny boo boo you're a poopy face" but not quite so civil or intelligent.

As much as Will can be a PITA :D - okay, I do like his humor - we need someone like him in there to police the lack of intellect that has taken over. We understand the current moderators are all very busy and we appreciate all their hard work with a mostly civil but sometimes unruly bunch. Lightening that load a bit by assigning someone like Will as PR&C moderator would go a long way toward improving the overall forum. We'd love to attract more people, I'm sure, and a more diligent effort in PR&C would be a good start.

Thanks for reading.

Tim

Will 03-25-2011 2:17pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by thkauffman (Post 210455)
In PR&C... what we get here are a bunch of incoherent responses that are the equivalent of, "nanny nanny boo boo you're a poopy face" but not quite so civil or intelligent.

We understand the current moderators are all very busy and we appreciate all their hard work.

Lightening that load a bit by assigning someone... as PR&C moderator would go a long way toward improving the overall forum. We'd love to attract more people, I'm sure, and a more diligent effort in PR&C would be a good start.
:iagree:

1983CFI 04-01-2011 5:51pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cybercowboy (Post 163977)
Essentially you'd have to ban three or four members from posting there to make it sane. Or am I missing something?
no no stop the bans

Y2Kvert4me 04-01-2011 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by 1983CFI (Post 222022)
no no stop the bans
What bans? :skep:


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