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Wathen1955 08-10-2020 12:20pm

Iran Attacks Fake U.S. Aircraft Carrier
 
Lets see them attacking a real US aircraft carrier with speedboats. That's gonna be funny to watch.

https://iranprimer.usip.org/sites/de...r%20border.jpg

https://iranprimer.usip.org/blog/202...rcraft-carrier

z06psi 08-10-2020 12:37pm

I would pay to watch that.

bill_daniels 08-10-2020 12:57pm

This does lead to a valid question, can an aircraft carrier by itself successfully defend from a swarm of small speedboats? I'm assuming any deck guns wouldn't be able to angle down enough to shoot in the water nearby. And we all saw from the USS Cole attack how problematic a small suicide boat can be.

What if the Houthis, Iran's proxy terrorists, launched a swarm speedboat attack on one of our carriers? The Strait is pretty narrow in the area, I'm assuming the support ships of the task force wouldn't be able to surround and "protect the quarterback" the way they would in open water.

I'm not too troubled by this, because I'm pretty sure Iran knows that, while Trump does not want war, and will generally not take their bait, like our uber expensive drone being shot down, if they actually attacked our naval vessels, it would be an automatic fire and fury response.

z06psi 08-10-2020 1:10pm

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794482)
This does lead to a valid question, can an aircraft carrier by itself successfully defend from a swarm of small speedboats? I'm assuming any deck guns wouldn't be able to angle down enough to shoot in the water nearby. And we all saw from the USS Cole attack how problematic a small suicide boat can be.

What if the Houthis, Iran's proxy terrorists, launched a swarm speedboat attack on one of our carriers? The Strait is pretty narrow in the area, I'm assuming the support ships of the task force wouldn't be able to surround and "protect the quarterback" the way they would in open water.

I'm not too troubled by this, because I'm pretty sure Iran knows that, while Trump does not want war, and will generally not take their bait, like our uber expensive drone being shot down, if they actually attacked our naval vessels, it would be an automatic fire and fury response.

It can track surface stuff out to 56 miles. I think it is good.

bill_daniels 08-10-2020 1:20pm

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Originally Posted by z06psi (Post 1794485)
It can track surface stuff out to 56 miles. I think it is good.

Yes, but that comes down to the captain having to make the call....is this an actual attack, do I order the sinking of a bunch of boats, causing at best an international incident, or do I stand down until they get within xxxx yards and still appear hostile. In other words, firing first brings on its own risks.

MrPeabody 08-10-2020 1:29pm

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794488)
Yes, but that comes down to the captain having to make the call....is this an actual attack, do I order the sinking of a bunch of boats, causing at best an international incident, or do I stand down until they get within xxxx yards and still appear hostile. In other words, firing first brings on its own risks.

Actually, I would imagine the captain would be in radio contact with command above his who could/would make the call.

Also, I'm no naval military expert by a long shot, but don't Carriers rely somewhat on the aircraft on board to be launched to defend the carrier?

6spdC6 08-10-2020 1:34pm

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794488)
Yes, but that comes down to the captain having to make the call....is this an actual attack, do I order the sinking of a bunch of boats, causing at best an international incident, or do I stand down until they get within xxxx yards and still appear hostile. In other words, firing first brings on its own risks.

I imagine with the incompetent POS muzzie loving obunghole not in charge, officers in charge of capital ships are much more able to protect themselves.

ZipZap 08-10-2020 1:43pm

They pretty much have eyes on 24/7 for any CSG. Planes flying CAP, RADAR, surveillance, EW, suppression.

If the carrier actually decided to deploy aircraft, it would be over very quickly.

z06psi 08-10-2020 2:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794488)
Yes, but that comes down to the captain having to make the call....is this an actual attack, do I order the sinking of a bunch of boats, causing at best an international incident, or do I stand down until they get within xxxx yards and still appear hostile. In other words, firing first brings on its own risks.

Aircraft carrier is very different than a coastal PT boat.

That is why those ship Captains and Fleet Admirals get paid so much.

LisaJohn 08-10-2020 2:34pm

How much does a fake aircraft carrier cost?

aerovette 08-10-2020 2:39pm

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Originally Posted by LisaJohn (Post 1794513)
How much does a fake aircraft carrier cost?

About the price of 500 of their plywood fighters.

https://i1.wp.com/theaviationist.com...size=685%2C474

VatorMan 08-10-2020 4:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZipZap (Post 1794496)
They pretty much have eyes on 24/7 for any CSG. Planes flying CAP, RADAR, surveillance, EW, suppression.

If the carrier actually decided to deploy aircraft, it would be over very quickly.

A carrier battle group is a whole lot of you ainít getting to the flattop . Guns, missiles, rail guns, CWIS, torpedoes, and Iíll bet stuff I donít know about. Every ship in the battle group will take a hit for the carrier.

09CTSV 08-10-2020 4:49pm

Add on the top a swarm of Helicopters strafing the line of targets and it would be a good thing.
The Cole was hit because as usual we became complacent in our security. The ship I was on had refueled about 4 months before the Cole. There were some boats trying to make practice runs towards us but they put too much stuff on board and sunk. We had the 50 cals manned and the 38's along with water cannons.
It takes something drastic to wake us up, but when we do get awoken.....

Dan Dlabay 08-10-2020 5:48pm

President Trump has already showed those idiots that he is not messing around with them. Our fleet carriers have enough fire power to put a major hurt on Iran.:cert:

sublime1996525 08-10-2020 9:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794482)
This does lead to a valid question, can an aircraft carrier by itself successfully defend from a swarm of small speedboats? I'm assuming any deck guns wouldn't be able to angle down enough to shoot in the water nearby. And we all saw from the USS Cole attack how problematic a small suicide boat can be.

What if the Houthis, Iran's proxy terrorists, launched a swarm speedboat attack on one of our carriers? The Strait is pretty narrow in the area, I'm assuming the support ships of the task force wouldn't be able to surround and "protect the quarterback" the way they would in open water.

I'm not too troubled by this, because I'm pretty sure Iran knows that, while Trump does not want war, and will generally not take their bait, like our uber expensive drone being shot down, if they actually attacked our naval vessels, it would be an automatic fire and fury response.

I was never on a carrier but I did spend some time on an LHD, itís like a carriers little brother. It was lined with 25mm Bushmaster chainguns, .50 cal and MK19ís. They all aim down.

JetMechZ16 08-11-2020 5:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1794482)
This does lead to a valid question, can an aircraft carrier by itself successfully defend from a swarm of small speedboats? I'm assuming any deck guns wouldn't be able to angle down enough to shoot in the water nearby. And we all saw from the USS Cole attack how problematic a small suicide boat can be.

What if the Houthis, Iran's proxy terrorists, launched a swarm speedboat attack on one of our carriers? The Strait is pretty narrow in the area, I'm assuming the support ships of the task force wouldn't be able to surround and "protect the quarterback" the way they would in open water.

I'm not too troubled by this, because I'm pretty sure Iran knows that, while Trump does not want war, and will generally not take their bait, like our uber expensive drone being shot down, if they actually attacked our naval vessels, it would be an automatic fire and fury response.

CIWS should be able to take out small boats.

Quote:

The overhaul in recent years has consisted of numerous upgrades to the weapon itself, converting the existing systems into what's called the Phalanx 1B configuration. At the same time, the CIWS overhaul also includes the development and ongoing integration of a new, next-generation radar for the system called the CIWS Phalanx Block IB Baseline 2, Navy officials explained.

The Block 1B configuration provides defense against asymmetric threats such as small, fast surface craft, slow-flying fixed and rotary-winged aircraft, and unmanned aerial vehicles through the addition of an integrated Forward-Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) sensor.

The Navy is now upgrading all fleet Phalanx Block 1B Baseline 0 and 1 Close-In Weapon Systems to the latest Phalanx Block IB Baseline 2 configuration, Eng said. The plan is to have an all CIWS Phalanx Block IB Baseline 2 fleet by fiscal year 2019, he added.

Nox 08-11-2020 7:49am

A carrier battle group would never let those small boats get within striking range of the carrier itself. Before they even got to that point, the cans and the frigates would take out those boats. A carrier battle groupís escort vessels only have one job, and thatís to protect the carrier.

BOTY 08-11-2020 9:11am

Interesting info, thanks. :seasix:

Iron Chef 08-11-2020 9:41am

More 3rd world sabre rattling. :bfd:


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