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Aerovette 06-26-2021 11:26am

When is it OK to re-use head bolts?
 
Replacing the head gasket on a 2.2 inline 4 cylinder Rodeo. I have trusted Haynes manuals for a long time. It says to create a cardboard template and place the head bolts in it so they go back in to the same location.

But...the gasket kits on line all say to replace the head bolts.

I have re-used head bolts on my older cars, but these bolts are torqued using torque angle specs and not actual torque so maybe that makes a difference.

Stevedore 06-26-2021 11:59am

I changed a lot of head gaskets in my younger days, & never replaced the bolts. I think some, if not all, newer bolts are torque-to-yield, & shouldn't be reused.

I'm old, & this is just one of many things that have likely changed since I thought I knew everything... :rofl:

DJ_Critterus 06-26-2021 12:25pm

IF they are stretch bolts you definitely don't re-use them.

Datawiz 06-26-2021 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus (Post 1891818)
IF they are stretch bolts you definitely don't re-use them.

This.

Buy ARP bolts to replace them, and you won't have to replace those. :yesnod:

Rodnok1 06-26-2021 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerovette (Post 1891809)
Replacing the head gasket on a 2.2 inline 4 cylinder Rodeo. I have trusted Haynes manuals for a long time. It says to create a cardboard template and place the head bolts in it so they go back in to the same location.

But...the gasket kits on line all say to replace the head bolts.

I have re-used head bolts on my older cars, but these bolts are torqued using torque angle specs and not actual torque so maybe that makes a difference.

On a Redeo? I would reuse them as new bolts would cost more than its worth. :slap:

Datawiz 06-26-2021 12:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodnok1 (Post 1891826)
On a Redeo? I would reuse them as new bolts would cost more than its worth. :slap:

:rofl:

If he fills up the gas tank, he doubles the value of the car. :lol:

DAB 06-26-2021 12:58pm

French used car salesman: but sir, it has fresh head bolts!

Aerovette 06-26-2021 3:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ_Critterus (Post 1891818)
IF they are stretch bolts you definitely don't re-use them.

How can you tell?:island14:

Y2Kvert4me 06-26-2021 3:11pm

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Quote:

Originally Posted by aerovette (Post 1891844)
How can you tell?:island14:

TTY bolts typically have a bulge just under the head of the bolt.

Attachment 58370

Attachment 58371


:cert:

Bill 06-26-2021 4:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me (Post 1891845)
TTY bolts typically have a bulge just under the head of the bolt.

Attachment 58370

Attachment 58371


:cert:

Thanks, I was wondering that, too.

markids77 06-26-2021 6:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerovette (Post 1891844)
How can you tell?:island14:

If the manual specifies tightening to a torque value then rotating the bolt x degrees, that is torque and turn (torque to yield) however the fastener is configured. Re-use and re-stretch will likely snap them. If it does not they certainly have less clamping force than when first installed.

DJ_Critterus 06-26-2021 7:18pm

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Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1891829)
Barton Family used car salesman: but sir, it has fresh head bolts!

@UniqueDoug

Aerovette 06-27-2021 11:10am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Kvert4me (Post 1891845)
TTY bolts typically have a bulge just under the head of the bolt.

Attachment 58370

Attachment 58371


:cert:

I was today years old when I learned these bulges were not for aligning a part so it is centered on the holes. :cert:

Aerovette 06-27-2021 11:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by markids77 (Post 1891885)
If the manual specifies tightening to a torque value then rotating the bolt x degrees, that is torque and turn (torque to yield) however the fastener is configured. Re-use and re-stretch will likely snap them. If it does not they certainly have less clamping force than when first installed.

Exactly my fear. I bought new bolts, so the job is on hold until they get here.

Torque is 18, 90 degrees, 90 degrees, 90 degrees.

Rodnok1 06-27-2021 11:46am

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerovette (Post 1892006)
Exactly my fear. I bought new bolts, so the job is on hold until they get here.

Torque is 18, 90 degrees, 90 degrees, 90 degrees.

And it'll still be a blown up POS in a couple months.. Just with new head bolts. :seasix:

Strats-N-Vettes 06-27-2021 12:12pm

Clean/tap/chase female threads...blow out to ensure no debris settled at bottom of threads to prevent accurate torqueing or TTY.


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