California, take note.
 

Va might have a nutty governor, but this is how you manage land. Too bad the dummies out there can't figure it out.

https://www.southwesttimes.com/2020/...trolled-burns/

Last I heard the US Forest Service was a Federal agency. Thus the "dummies" are the same people you're trying to praise.

So why don't they do it there?

Commie influence......
:issues:

I was just waiting for them to admit it.:yesnod:

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Admit what?

That the US Forest Service’s “10 AM policy” (and those that came after) kicked off almost 100 years of mismanagement? Or that Nixon signed NEPA into law which now has been misused by environmentalists?

The entire west is now turning the corner and trying to manage forests the proper way (thinning, controlled burns, etc.) but it takes time to undue a century’s worth of damage.

Educate yourself about the policies that brought us here and you’ll understand that this all started way before California turned blue. You have to go back 100 years to get to the start of the problem. And not just in California.

But I get it...that’s doesn’t fit into the blame California narrative. :funny:

You actually might want to do some research...

A Skanky Psychologist once told me that it's not really about blame - it's about Sour Grapes. Deep down all these apparent "haters" really wish they could live in beautiful, sunny CA, but they're doing ths Reaction Formation thing. :yesnod:

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let's not get carried away!

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I’ve spent a lot of time in the forests of the East Coast and California. The difference is, the East Coast gets more precipitation. A controlled burn in California is like throwing a match into a warehouse full of gunpowder to reduce the overflow.

A couple of years ago, on a dry and windy night, I was on the way home when I heard a small patch of brush was on fire about 30 miles from my house. When I woke up in the morning, my neighborhood was in flames. The fire which started 30 miles away, traveled to my house overnight. That’s why they don’t do a lot of controlled burns here. They’ve tried, but it never works out the way they intended.

This. Same problem in Colorado.

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Huge difference between culling back old growth and what burns in California. What causes California to burn is the extreme dry tinder coupled with winds. These plants that burn down neighborhoods were just seedlings a few months before. They grow into chaparral in a short rainy season, they dry out and burn a few months later. You can’t control burn what doesn’t exist. California is on an annual cycle not measured in centuries of old growth.

I never understood why CA burned until I lived there. The vegetation is what we call kindling here.

Yep. It was October 2019 when we were all evacuated for Saddleridge. And that same area behind the neighborhood had already burned completely in the Sesnon fire in 2008. People don’t realize that the chaparral comes back every year, regardless of management. :shrug:

We do realize that.
Some people with disabilities do not unfortunately.
The real question is, do you really want to take the chance of losing everything?
People settle in and just forget, until it's their turn, and play the odds.
It costs money to move , uproot, and find jobs, and lose seniority.
I get it. Cali is beautiful and the weather does not suck.
The earth moves and burns sometimes though, so playing the odds is just
that.

Beach sand doesn't burn. :Entropy:




When you coming down for a visit toots?

Living anywhere you're playing against the odds.

We don't have Hurricanes, Blizzards, Flooding or Tornadoes. Just Fk'ing Liberals that keep moving out here.

Meh. Snow melts and your house is still there.
Liberals live everywhere.

Is it there after flooding, Hurricanes and tornadoes?

But they've infested our state when we use to be a Red state. And we get stuck with the Nancy Pelosi's, Maxine Waters, and Gavin Newsom's.

Tornados and flooding are rare in WNY and Rehoboth Beach Delaware if you live away from the beach.
Ya, Buffalo had blizzards and was cold as balls for four months, but my house was never compromised.

Either is mine, ever.

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So just cut it down when maybe 1/4 size and let it die out after a few years of doing that.....no more growth, no more fuel.....:dance::confused5:

So we have this stuff in the chaparral called manzanita. Fire doesn't even need to touch it, as if gets hot enough, the oil inside it causes it to explode into flames.

Grows like weeds, not like forest. Can't imagine what it would take to eradicate the threat, but this is not anything like trimming up to 10' to keep the fire on the ground.

Imagine having to mow the entire surface area of every mountain every year.

Wasn't that/similar work done up untill say 50 years ago or so?? why was it stopped, or has the population/housing been planted in all the hazard regions??

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So... here’s your forest that you think should be cut down to 1/4 size.

And so, it already burned the year before, but the spring rain caused the chaparral to grow in a few months. Then it burned again. This fire started 30 miles from my house and spread in four hours while I was asleep. Today it looks like it never burned.

You have actually zero clue about how growth cycles work here in California.

They build houses up in the hills because of the views. More and more get built every year.

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Home insurance must cost a fortune

Generally, you go through the California Fair Plan for wildfire insurance. It is pricey. But you pay to play. :winky:

No more than say, Hatteras, the Outer Banks...

Not really. If you can afford a 2-65 million dollar home depending where it's at then the insurance isn't a problem. Like owning a Ferrari. You don't worry about maintenance and insurance when you buy one.

No one here forgets. People may choose to be unprepared, but no one forgets. :shrug:

Just like any other natural disaster in any part of the country, you either choose to be prepared or you choose not to be.

And if one chooses to live in California, they need to make good choices based on their financial ability. Simple as that. Don’t move here in a high risk zone if you can’t afford to leave if you need to. It’s all about personal accountability.

I paid $850/yr for a 300k, 2600 sqft ranch in the fourth ring of Buffalo. 3 acres and a 4000 sqft barn.

I don’t know. So busy at work with our LA groups. :willy: Orange County implementation starts next. About 6 months.

Where you live and what you pay is similar to the Hot/Crazy Woman chart.... on the one hand, you can have an insanely hot woman, but she will be correspondingly cray cray. At the opposite end of the spectrum you can have a very stable and intelligent woman, but she has the face of Mother Theresa and the body of Rosie O’Donnell.

So Buffalo.......

Wow.
If you say so

ICNLT.

IDA

That's a down payment for most condo's and a few homes here.

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I have coupons for every fast food joint down here. it's on me. :yesnod: :seasix:

Tell me about it, wife #3 here is the BEST looking of the bunch, easy....and the BEST person to get along with too....I FINALLY got LUCKY.....

and glad my house has some 30' of elevation off the swamp at bottom of hill, BUT there have to be about 50 trees I drive by/notice every day, that desperately need cutting before the land on some house or other.....with two of them within shot of MY house, and I"m trying to get a ROOF put on....grrrrrrrrr


:issues:

Two Gyros for $6. We can share. :yesnod:

How do you share a Gyro without loosing balance???:kick::dance:

Second luckiest girl.


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I remember reading the “Camp Fire” was moving at something like 10mph and double that when it was moving up an incline.

A lot of the wildfires in SoCal start during Santa Ana wind events. When the winds are whipping...you’re definitely not outrunning a wildfire. :nonod:

When they say go...you have to be ready to go. :yesnod:

Fail.

Nice place to be, but I don’t run...ICNLT

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Solid input subzeroheim. :spdchk:

NOX, all them pix you put in this post off page 2 here, the light tan is....bare dirt or some sort of grass, ?? the darker/green? parts of same land look like brush...but take up no space......all the pix have a variation of same colors, and I can't tell what it consists of....dirt/rock/dried vegitation??

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaparral

LONE ago, ~40 years, the ex/kids mom and I visited her youngest brother out in Ca. SFran region for a week or so.....and the subject came up about fires/etc....but it was not the issue it is today.....

SF was a nice place to walk around.....went across the bridge too, but walked the entire distance from some drop point as we stayed across the bay, up hill and around the point to base of bridge.....then walked to top of Lombard st. looking at the kraziness there....then got a cab to dinner and back to mainland....had lunch at a Chinese place, walked out the door and an easy 45* slope down to right, looked 1/2 block down and straight into some office window on the TENTH story, and saw the desks clearly.....:dance: