Drugs are a horrible thing and can complete derail a young person's life. :sadangel:

honestly, Jetz, that might be the best place for her right now. Hate to say it, but it could make the difference between getting help or another ceremony.

It's weird to say, but my DUI 5 years ago was one of the best things to happen to me now that i look back on it.

Thanks. I'm in fairly good shape. Keeping up with the Horses and ponies keep me so.

Thanks Madman. Wife asked where I want to go for dinner tonight. Decisions, decisions?

Great to hear! :seasix::USA:

Happy Birthday ya old geezer. :D

I've got an extra Starbucks birthday card I can send you. :lol:

Or it may just harden her even more. :sadangel:

You'll end up on the ignore list that way :yesnod:

:iagree: and what a row to hoe just to get a proper burial. :sadangel:

That's tough to deal with Jet... Harder on momma I bet.

Happy Birthday Ben, as an old farmer told me when I was just a young man... Keep moving or you'll die.
He owned a bar for 30 plus years and retired regulars would come in and sit and do nothing, then they'd die off in 6 months to a year. He sold the bar when he retired, gave up heavy drinking and bought a farm. He was in his late 70 maybe early 80s and worked harder than 2 young guys. If wasn't for diabetes he'd lived to be 110 I bet.
That guy was harder than wood pecker lips, he'd change a tractor engine in the sun with it 110 degrees out and so humid you couldn't hardly breathe.
Some things just stick with you and I'll never forget what he said.

Starbucks? :ack:

Happy Birthday Ben. :dance: :cert:

That's pushing it...Very close... :toetap:

Thanks. Keep moving or you'll die is very true.

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You never know. She'll definitely be ordered to go through some treatment.

Depends on the severity of the crime and previous record, so maybe not.

It's not the first time for her in jail. It didn't change her for long the last time she was there. I doubt she will change this time. It's a sad thing when you know your child is safer in jail than if they were out doing what they want to do.

My other 3 kids are all doing well on their own, I don't know why this one can't straighten up. At 1st I blamed it on the opiates she was prescribed after her accident. But she has been to rehab and was clean for over a year. This all started again after she come back to the Chattanooga area and reconnected with her worthless boyfriend. I know not to blame him for it all, but together they are a disaster.:yesnod:

Not much you can do in this situation, I guess, except not be an enabler.

The only way for me not to be an enabler is to kick her out of the house. Then I get to explain to my 10 year old grandson why I kicked his mom out when she had no place to go. I don't know how to do this.:sad:

If she lives with you then she lives under your rules. Might have to "be the foot that puts down the other foot" (Yeah, that was a Dean Wormer quote :D )

You obviously have no experience with an addict. They will agree to and say they will abide by all the rules. They won't. Making new rules doesn't change their behavior. She has violated the rules and we are now at the point of paying for the consequences of that.

The consequences are that she has to leave now. Nothing works and the lies continue. I can do the part of telling her to go lead the life she wants to but we can't support her in that. I don't know how to explain this to my grandson, his face still lights up every time she is there for him, which isn't nearly enough. But after all her failures as a parent to him he still adores her. I've seen his face when she lets him down and doesn't show up or keep a promise to him. I don't know how to be the one that lets him down in that way.

So sad to read... how old is she?

Good morning all!

Jetz, sorry about that man!

Ben, happy birthday!

Check this out. :rofl:

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:rofl: Outstanding!

Morning! :kimblair:

Sorry to hear Jetz.

Sup Limey. :cert:

She is 30 now. Well beyond the time to realize she needs to straighten up. I'm afraid that she's going to become another statistic, another Nubain if you will.

Edit: I realized some here may not know who Nubain was. He was an intelligent and savy heroin addict from the other place. He thought he was smarter than his addiction. He died with a needle in his arm.

Sorry. I've never been around an addict and I wish I had something to say that would help, but don't.

Good luck Jetz

Stikki!!! :fastguy: :rofl:

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Ok, back to work....

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My aunt was a hard core user when I was a kid, she and hubby od and the kids lived with us for a year plus until she divorced the enabler and cleaned up. My parents walked in to find them on the floor with 2 little ones running around dirty so took the kids. She was told she'd never see them again if she touched another needle, luckily she grew up and didn't again.
I grew up with relatives using(and hard core drunks) and have known more than a couple users over the years. It's a hard thing to do but cutting contact has probably saved my sanity, that and I refuse to let my kid grow up around it. I haven't seen some in 25 or 30 years now and it'll be too soon whenever I do again.
Whatever happens Jet good luck to your family man(all of you).

The biggest difference here is that the addict is my child. One who has a son who has depended on us his entire life. One who I don't have legal custody of. I would have to go to court and destroy my daughter and prove her an unfit mother to get it. I suppose we are at that point. That me and my wife will have to initiate this. I will try to talk to her tonight about it.

But really, we just buried her father yesterday. She needs some time to grieve before another painful episode begins.

Wow Ron, I really hate to hear all this!:sadangel:
Having to go through this with your own Daughter has got to be a horrible experience and then add in your Grandson to the mix!:confused5:
H0pe this works out for you and your family!:seasix:
You will be in my prayers!




Happy Bday OB, you old fart!:party:


Chickenlips :hurray: for Treyman!

Where ever FX is, somebody tell him to STFU and FO!

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Who put a quarter in Porter today?
:toetap:

Older machine five cents. :yesnod:

Wow, I didn't know it was that bad. I guess it's better to tell the little guy know the truth now than to keep watching him get his hopes up time and time again.

How are you feeling Botbro? :beerfunnel:

My BIL is a heroin addict. He was a total POS. MIL put in in rehab several times without success. Finally, he moved to Alaska to get away from all of his addicted friends. He still lives there with his beautiful wife and two kids, and is doing very well now.

Better, just awaiting results. It maybe good or bad, we shall see.

I gotta be on the minimum with adult beverages, to see WTF is going on. :yesnod:

Blondie and I are praying for you. :sadangel:

Hang in there broBOT! :stratsnvettes:

:sadangel: tough situation!

About one of the toughest, prayers for your family Ron.

Thanks, I barely slept last night. Today was cake, just waiting sucks. :seasix:

Either way I don't give up. :D

I have had a little experience with a heroin addict, and that was enough. I have had several people in my life that had major problems with alcohol, including a friend of ours that drank herself to death. I wish I had some brilliance for you, but unfortunately, I don't, sorry. It's hard to imagine going through this with a daughter too. Are her siblings in the picture at all? Can they help with the situation?

Her siblings don't wish to have anything to do with her at this time. She has lied, stolen, and manipulated them also. There is pressure from them to my wife and I to cut ties.

I'm sorry. I guess, to some degree, I can't blame them.

The only thing I could do to help was find him, and bring him back. I know enough of the people in that chit around here it is troubling, but they would almost always help me out with possible locations. He moved near my 25 year old location and I work with some not so savory people at times. :sadangel:

I think my only reason for posting this here is I think there are more failures than successes when dealing with addictions. The media, the rehab and mental health facilities all present people with a false sense of hope. In the end even their own statistics point to this. :sadangel:

Mr. Ron. Not advice more of an idea. Have you and your wife tried to get custody of your grandson? I think this may be your best bet. Then you can tell her to go live her life while you will take care of your grand kid. This may get her to sober up, and want to do better or if not give you all justification for what really needs to happen. He deserves a stable life away from the drugs. My brother was killed over drugs and usage many years ago. I would not wish it on anyone. Best of luck sir.:sadangel:

I believe I'm just at the begining of watching my daughter die. And I feel so selfish for wanting it all to just end, for it all to be over.:sadangel:

Happy bday Mr. Ben. :kimblair::cert:

So sorry sir.:sadangel:

Yes, I need to broach the subject with my wife. I believe if we go down this path I will have to destroy my daughter and prove her an unfit parent. She will feel so betrayed by me. I'm the one who was supposed to protect them, and somewhere I lost.

You didn't lose her. She's an adult and made her own choices.

Mr. Ron. You did not fail. She did and the drugs. You really have no control or power. Nor does your wife anymore. You can save the boy. Your daughter is the only one that can save herself. Maybe this will motivate her as to how serious you are to have to resort to this? Honestly. It is about your grandson now. He deserves stability. Your daughter has to see that. If there is any rationality left in her. Drugs should not be more important than her son period the end.:cert: Ask her what happens to her son if he finds her like you did, and she is gone? Is a 10 year old able to live with or handle that scene?

I never pushed my kids in any direction. I wanted to teach them the skills needed to survive in this world in any situation. I wanted them to be self sufficient and each be able to stand on their own. What they did in life is up to them. My place was to make sure they knew how to stand and thrive without help from anyone. 3 out of 4 doesn't feel good enough.

Thanks though, I realize she made these choices, not just once but went back to it of her own free will the second time.

I have two different close friends that were successful in getting custody of their grandchildren and neither has a pot to piss in, so I'm thinking it isn't as monetarily expensive as it is emotionally expensive.

In both cases, the little ones didn't have a chance in hell under the circumstances they were living. They are happy kiddos now.

It was four quarters you cheap fuk!:yesnod:


Botski you get your test results yet?

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You tell em Dudely!:seasix:

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Ron, I am so sorry to hear what you’re going through. You sound strong and sensible and seem to be doing all the right things for everyone concerned. I hope and pray that things work out for everyone.

I have some experience with what you’re going through, but not nearly as serious. By the grace of God, it worked out for us. May He look over you and all your loved ones through this troubling ordeal.

I have an aunt and uncle going through the same thing. Their youngest son fathered a baby girl with a woman who already had a son from another guy. Both of these two are into drugs and unable to hold a job or stay out of jail. My aunt and uncle now have both the children (girl is 8, boy is 17) living with them. Certainly not the way they expected to be living in their 70s. They are in the process of trying to get full custody of the little girl but it has not been an easy process but they are not going to give up on her.

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Stikki's on the right :rofl:

Nope, looks like a night of what if. Out of my control at this point, either way we will deal with it. :seasix:

Stikki don't play. Unless Blondie says so. :seasix: :rofl:

And only when she says so :yesnod:

Evening all. My ass is on fire! I’ve been working the glutes!

Bot peppers would fix you right up. :yesnod:

Evening all. Is this going to be the never ending bar?

I think he means that his new boyfriend really has the hots for him. :yesnod:

Spent a few hrs grying to figure out insurance paperwork... Sooooo I'm ready to put my head in the ove
n. :bslap:


Tomorrow should be fun, wife goes for root canal and I have to ask for the 200th time exactly how bad they can **** up the paperwork since I'll be waiting anyways. It's been many years since I've been able to get their numbers to equal out with insurance statements. They must use new math all I can figure.

Ya need a decoder ring to figure out all the approve, patient portion, billed, allowable etc....

Nope. I'm on the right, giving Rikkiedidie what for on the left!:yesnod::msgem:

Why the fuk don't you answer your phone?:slap:
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Strats?????

Porko showed as “Scam Likely”...

call ya late AM tomorrow :seasix: Or ya scrubbing yoga mats again. ?

Send them this way.

Sometimes things get carried away....

Hahaha.

I’m in Moab. Where’s the Dude and his Jeep? :confused5:

Ooops.

Damn your old :yesnod:

Prolly in hiding!:yesnod:

You ought to see him in person!:cane:

You in here causing trouble tonight?:kick::kimblair::lol::cert:

Yes I am and if you behave maybe you will be this old one day.

At least I can still get in and out of my Vette without any problems. :yesnod: