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Yadkin 03-17-2024 4:57pm

Architect messed up
 
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This building was built in 2007. Outdoor pavilion with a roof about 60' square and a 25' tall ceiling. Connections of the timber posts to the concrete bases don't follow AITC guidelines and thus rotted.

MadInNc 03-17-2024 4:59pm

OK. So…. Many decks out there are the same I bet



Looking forward to your next post

Vandelay Industries 03-17-2024 5:00pm

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Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:00pm

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Here's the applicable AITC (American Institute of Timber Construction) guideline:

ZipZap 03-17-2024 5:05pm

What could go wrong? I always encase wood in concrete to ensure the wood stays fresh.

vettemed 03-17-2024 5:05pm

wood you look at that.

Rodnok1 03-17-2024 5:12pm

What do you want to bet somebody didn't want to see the anchors so changed the plans.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:15pm

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He also screwed up by creating undrained areas at the bottom of the braces (red rectangles). The red circles point ut termite holes- 20' above the column bases.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:19pm

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For the columns we'll use treated southern pine instead of the original douglas fir. Otherwise same detail.

For the brace bottoms we'll reposition the connector plates and do a chamfer cut on top to ensure drainage. I'll do the same thing for the column blocks.

Vandelay Industries 03-17-2024 5:20pm

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Originally Posted by ZipZap (Post 2233461)
What could go wrong? I always encase wood in concrete to ensure the wood stays fresh.

:iagree:This is how it's done.

Insects can't eat through concrete, so they have no way of getting at the wood this way. :seasix:

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:21pm

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Originally Posted by Rodnok1 (Post 2233465)
What do you want to bet somebody didn't want to see the anchors so changed the plans.

Maybe. However the architect screwed up in two other areas as well; same type of mistakes that I just pointed out.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:22pm

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Originally Posted by Vandelay Industries (Post 2233469)
:iagree:This is how it's done.

Insects can't eat through concrete, so they have no way of getting at the wood this way. :seasix:

:Jeff '79:

DAB 03-17-2024 5:23pm

wood rots

GTOguy 03-17-2024 5:24pm

They should have called Yadkin. Losers.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:28pm

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Originally Posted by GTOguy (Post 2233473)
They should have called Yadkin. Losers.

They did, just 17 years too late. :Jeff '79:

MadInNc 03-17-2024 5:34pm

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Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 2233466)
He also screwed up by creating undrained areas at the bottom of the braces (red rectangles). The red circles point ut termite holes- 20' above the column bases.

Thought termite burrowed internally. You’re saying those buggers ate up 20’ in beams in 17 yrs?

Call pest guys, if insured w termite contract they will pay per contract- but you’re out of a job. If they took contract they fix I found out

DAB 03-17-2024 5:49pm

no time to do it right, always plenty of time and money to do it twice.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:49pm

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Originally Posted by MadInNc (Post 2233477)
Thought termite burrowed internally. You’re saying those buggers ate up 20’ in beams in 17 yrs?

Call pest guys, if insured w termite contract they will pay per contract- but you’re out of a job. If they took contract they fix I found out

I'm saying that the buggers are in there. What route they took is anyone's guess without destructive testing. My guess is from the undrained brace areas.

I've already done my job, and my client, the contractor, will now do his. The owner can decide later if he tries to recoup his costs. If so, then I'll have another job as an expert witness.

Waiting for lawyers to decide cases would risk catastrophic damage as well as lose revenue. Right now the building is permanently closed.

Yadkin 03-17-2024 5:51pm

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Originally Posted by DAB (Post 2233485)
no time to do it right, always plenty of time and money to do it twice.

That' how it works with too many bum contractors. Save a minute- cost the owner hours, maybe weeks, and certainly money.

But this was the architect's fault.

Steve_R 03-17-2024 5:56pm

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Originally Posted by Yadkin (Post 2233486)
Right now the building is permanently closed.

If it’s permanently closed why bother fixing it?


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