Originally Posted by 73sbVert (Post 191943)

Like most on the right, I don't think the AMOUNT of money needs to be cut (actually it could if...), just do three things:

1) disband the Dept of "Education" that has failed so miserably in the last 4 decades returning the responsibility to the states to educate their own.

2) force the teacher's unions out of the classroom and out of the school boards. They have no business there.

3) Reduce the bureaucracies in all the school boards by at least half. Most of those in there are totally unnecessary. More funding is wasted on so many layers of bureaucracy that is artificially inserted in the system. It's total BS.


If those 3 things are done, then the funds that ARE being spent have a much better chance of actually getting INTO the classroom. :yesnod:

The solution is not more money, we already spend more dollars per student per year than any other country in the world, yet the domestic and international scores continue to drop.
Use the money that is available much more productively.

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 191959)

1) Dude, remember what happened 40 years ago when the States had control over who got educated? :confused5:

2) I'd be willing to try it, even though I have many teachers in my family who can prove you wrong. :confused5:

3) Categorically agree ... these people are not teaching. :cheers:

Originally Posted by 73sbVert (Post 191972)

1) Yes, but we're older and wiser now. Those mistakes will never happen again. The best thing that could ever happen is for the individual states to be ALLOWED to decide (by their own communities) what is best to teach their own kids. The worst thing that ever happened to education is when the federal gov't tried to force a one-size-fits-all solution to problems that didn't exist.

2) I've got lots of teachers in my family too (my grandfather was former Directors of Education for LSU and Tulane both), grandmother taught, aunts, uncles, cousins, even my mom. None of them ever a part of the union crap. There is no, NO advantage to any of the kids education by inserting the unions into it. The ONLY benefit to the unions is pay and self-preservation. THEY are the sole reason why shitty teachers can't be fired and good teachers are being forced into layoff strictyly by seniority account. That's BS by every standard of measure.

3) I've got a couple of books you should read (but you must open your mind) if you are interested...


:cheers:

Originally Posted by thkauffman (Post 192001)

It should be cut from the fed.gov level.

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 192026)

Yea, why would the United States of America invest in Americans? :confused5:

But hay, should get your income over $500k per year, we'll have you back 100% Tax Free. :cheers:

Originally Posted by thkauffman (Post 192190)

Because it's not in the Constitution.

You ever read that thing?

And that same document leaves stuff like education up to the States.

Amazing how that works.

Originally Posted by thkauffman (Post 192190)

Because it's not in the Constitution.

You ever read that thing?

And that same document leaves stuff like education up to the States.

Amazing how that works.

Originally Posted by Peter Pan (Post 192202)

:iagree:It sure is working well in Detriot with all the $$ we dump there yearly, Detroit is a ghost town as many areas are razed, on example of $$ not working at all, let the states do it as nothing the Feds have done have worked to make things better, jobs for life have to stop and go on performance, like in the Military, you suck at your job you are told to leave:dance:

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 191837)

Question; who on this forum thinks the President should cut eduction for American Children and Students? :waiting:

Originally Posted by mrvette (Post 192281)

ME the DOEd from the Fed.gov should be eliminated....but I settle for total defunding by the house for how....

LOCAL skool bud gets.....cut by 50% overnight....

maybe even yet.....60% easy.....and guess what?? I don't have to cut a teacher salary in the bunch.....

seriously.....

but then again, I know too much.....

all you all PROGRESSIVES THINK you can pull the wool over, but not THIS sheeple.....


:lol::cheers::beat:

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 192291)

Yea, but the microsecond someone who doesn't look like you gets something you think is entitled to only you, then you become all for America and Americans.

Well guess what; get use to it. Because the World is beginning to out educate us, so it will be likely someone who doesn't look like you will be calling the shots.

:cheers:

Originally Posted by mrvette (Post 192352)

The 'WORLD' out educates us on OUR educational system.....

the only education worth having is in....

hard sciences, finance, economics, math, business arts....

the rest is a stone total waste.....

kinda like the fart fairies that think Picasso is somehow a GREAT artist....

when he WAS one of the great scams of all time....Jackie can go to hell on that one alone....

NOW look at just perZactly what the rest of the world studies in our colleges.....look at the grads.....

see any in feel good 101??


CASE CLOSED......


:rofl::rofl::sadangel:

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 192358)

Let me guess ... you're over 60? :D

Dad ... is that you. :rofl:

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 192319)

Personally I beleive there's nothing more threatening to the Hard Right than Children who don't look like them getting education. It was tried once before to stifle or regulate who can have access to Books ... worked for a little while but failed in the End. :yesnod:

Originally Posted by ChasC5 (Post 192241)

It's not in the Constitution for Parents to be Good-Parents ... yet every person on the Forum who has children knows the common since values of investment in both their Children and their own future.

So now we can all stop playing stupid now that we know the value of investment, why to invest in our own Children? Because GOD KNOWS we'll never agree to Electing a person who country did a better job in investing in their Children. :D Correct? :rofl: Because that is in the Constitution.