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Norm 09-24-2020 4:23pm

Finally Had Enough Of These Cheap..........
 
...............bastards.

My breakfast run group finally tweaked a nerve in me. I've been trying to get these guys for the last couple of months to tip a little better, but gawd, it's like pulling hens teeth from some. Out of the 80 some people I sent the notice to, I usually get a group of 15 - 20 on average. Most are pretty good, but it's the same 2 - 3 that continually leave a buck or two, I hate that, cheap SOB's.

After this morning, I sent this out to the group, I'm getting incoming but all positive comments so far. From the cheapo's...........crickets.

Subject line:

TIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you not get the memo? Apparently there a few who haven't. We as a group, did not meet the tip threshold today, which was 16 of us x $5 = $80. We left $68.

Yeah, I know a few of you are thinking, "well that's even too much money". My answer to that.....bullshit.
Damn near all of us have at least a $100,000 tied up in household vehicles alone, not counting the nice places we live. We can afford to leave a $5 tip, I don't care if you just order a glass of water, leave the tip.

The places we visit are doing US, WE, OUR GROUP a favor by accommodating. The waitresses are paid less than minimum wage, they survive entirely by TIPS. Let me ask you this question....would you do what they do for peanuts? Wait on a bunch of grouchy loud and noisy old farts? I don't think so.
Especially today, our waitress Alicia, does yeoman work to ensure we get what we ask for, as do others at other places as well. Let's show some appreciation.

I have gotten feedback in the past, that we are a cheap bunch....and they all own Corvettes. I want that reputation to go away.

Just a reminder, these gatherings ARE NOT a club function, this is a private undertaking organized by me. You do not need to wear name tags or other club apparel.........remember, private gathering, reservations are made as Corvette Group, no club names involved.

I've been setting these up for almost 10 years now, and we as a group are finally leaving some decent tips of late, we need to continue with that. If you as an individual feel that I'm over stepping my boundaries or it's none of my business to dictate what you should leave, we can easily remedy that feeling, I would prefer you just not participate. I can also request the establishment to include a set gratuity in the bill.

I may piss a few of you off, if so............well...........I'll let it go at that.

These messages I send out for a meet does not go out as an all club member notice, just to an exclusive list of folks that have or want to participate in this function.

I'll be standing-by for incoming.

Norm


mrvette 09-24-2020 4:32pm

Reality check, next door is a waitress for a rather popular joint that caters to the old crowd of retired here in Jax Fl.......and so it's been a mess for her what with the wahoo virus crap......BUT it's picking up a bit now and she WAS making about a GRAND IN TIPS EVERY [email protected]@@@!!!!!!

and it's serious...she even admitted it......I walked into their door after knocking and saw a YEUAGGGE!! pile of cash on the couch as they counting it out once evening......

SO, depending on the shituation, fair chance food servers/mainly chicks can make FAR more in CASH than we wood think.......


:issues::dance::seasix:

Olustee bus 09-24-2020 4:32pm

Damn right! Good for you Norm. And I hope you really like he new group you join

Murray 09-24-2020 4:38pm

Its not hard to do the math. Met my kid for dinner and in an hour the tip was $17 something. Ours was one of 4 tables she was looking after.

Id imagine small diners and their staff catering to the coffee/breakfast crowd dont do nearly as well though

99 pewtercoupe 09-24-2020 4:42pm

I would assume that this breakfast group occupies the table(s) for a significantly longer period of time than what a couple or family would take. Bunch of guys sitting around solving the worlds problems etc.

if this place is busy and you are sitting at a table for two hours just drinking coffee the server is loosing out on other customers who would be ordering more and probably leaving a larger tip. I agree that a buck or two is cheap

Norm 09-24-2020 4:48pm

These places we go are not the high end hoity-toity areas, just small town ma & pa's. Tip sharing to the bussing table folks get a piece of that as well, and besides if the 2 - 3 drop out of the group, won't hurt my feelings....:D

Norm 09-24-2020 4:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by 99 pewtercoupe (Post 1808420)
I would assume that this breakfast group occupies the table(s) for a significantly longer period of time than what a couple or family would take. Bunch of guys sitting around solving the worlds problems etc.

if this place is busy and you are sitting at a table for two hours just drinking coffee the server is loosing out on other customers who would be ordering more and probably leaving a larger tip. I agree that a buck or two is cheap

You're right, we are usually in a segregated area but that is open to others as well. We all order breakfast and we do sit a spell drinking coffee or whatever. Our waitress keeps that hot coffee coming, and she hustles. Plus the owner never charges us a room fee, I feel grateful we have a place like that, that takes care of us, not too many of those around.

datawiz 09-24-2020 5:28pm

Not a fan of poor tippers. I'm a very generous tipper, and it usually comes full circle with the places I frequent.

The_Dude 09-24-2020 5:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by datawiz (Post 1808432)
Not a fan of poor tippers. I'm a very generous tipper, and it usually comes full circle with the places I frequent.

:iagree: There's no reason not to spread it around if you can afford it. I would guess most in a Corvette club can.

VatorMan 09-24-2020 5:38pm

Fukien hate cheap tippers with a passion. Your letter was way too nice. If you know the names, Id send them a separate email saying this was for you cheap prick.

DAB 09-24-2020 5:57pm

next gathering: before you depart Norm Inc., walk around, collect $10 from everyone. now you have everyone's tip in hand ahead of time. $10 a head, not per car.

Anjdog2003 09-24-2020 6:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Murray (Post 1808417)
When i came down to California to meet Adog not only did i not pay for the meal i didn't leave a tip either. Fk them Yankees.






Plus i had to give you money for gas. :spdchk:

MadInNc 09-24-2020 6:48pm

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Originally Posted by Anjdog2003 (Post 1808447)
Plus i had to give you money for gas. :spdchk:

Ya should have gave him some lug nuts to keep the wheel on

snide 09-24-2020 9:44pm

I usually tip pretty good, unless the service was horrible.

Mike Mercury 09-25-2020 8:51am

Quote:

Originally Posted by snide (Post 1808546)
I usually tip pretty good, unless the service was horrible.

my tips are always based on level of service.

To the OP... is the problem with the quality of service (and not the cheapers in your group) ?

Norm 09-25-2020 9:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808438)
next gathering: before you depart Norm Inc., walk around, collect $10 from everyone. now you have everyone's tip in hand ahead of time. $10 a head, not per car.

These individual breakfast bills usually aren't over $8, so if you were to leave a 20% tip, that's $1.60.

Because we are a group, we are not charged any fees for anything (no room use, etc.), to cover any of that and make it worth while for the wait staff, a $5 "donation" per person is appropriate.

The wait staffs are really good to us, no slouches.

Norm 09-25-2020 9:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury (Post 1808639)
my tips are always based on level of service.

To the OP... is the problem with the quality of service (and not the cheapers in your group) ?

Oh no, service is always great, never a problem.

We have been going to a core of about 5 different ma & pa diners (gave up on the national places like Bob Evans, Denny's, etc., too restrictive for our group) every Thursday in the past 10 years, we've developed a nice rapport with the owners and waitresses, they look forward to our visits and they do look out for us. It's just those few that will just not get off a few bucks.

z06psi 09-25-2020 9:27am

Boomer alert?

Norm 09-25-2020 10:01am

Quote:

Originally Posted by z06psi (Post 1808659)
Boomer alert?

What's that mean?

z06psi 09-25-2020 10:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808669)
What's that mean?

If that was a question to my question then you could have just said "yes".

Norm 09-25-2020 10:06am

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Originally Posted by z06psi (Post 1808671)
If that was a question to my question then you could have just said "yes".

Jeez, what the hell are you talking about?

z06psi 09-25-2020 10:07am

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

VatorMan 09-25-2020 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Mercury (Post 1808639)
my tips are always based on level of service.

To the OP... is the problem with the quality of service (and not the cheapers in your group) ?

It's a problem with old Corvette owners in clubs. I used to hear the old, I'm on a fixed income excuse. I'd say you are in a club devoted to a disposable income car. Guess you should either sell your car or wait till you can afford to go out.

Norm 09-25-2020 10:13am

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Originally Posted by z06psi (Post 1808673)
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Whatever makes you happy, you're more than welcome.

Norm 09-25-2020 10:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by VatorMan (Post 1808674)
It's a problem with old Corvette owners in clubs. I used to hear the old, I'm on a fixed income excuse. I'd say you are in a club devoted to a disposable income car. Guess you should either sell your car or wait till you can afford to go out.

You're right, we have a few stingy folks in the group. I'm having fun with this within the group calling out the cheap SOB's indirectly without having to name names........so far, getting a lot of traction with others......:D

RedLS1GTO 09-25-2020 10:29am

Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?

Quote:

We as a group, did not meet the tip threshold today, which was 16 of us x $5 = $80. We left $68
How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day. :shrug:

DAB 09-25-2020 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO (Post 1808679)
Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?



How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day. :shrug:

he's got a point.

if you are the official/unofficial leader of this gang, then lead. set out rules (where we are going, how we're going to get there, when we leave HQ, how long we are staying, when we return to HQ, and how much it will cost per head/car to join along).

if you are going to burn $10 of gas having fun, then another $10 for a "tip/gift" to your favorite waitress shouldn't be breaking any budgets. and if it does, then they can stay home and watch Matlock.

imagine the reaction your gang would get if you left $200 in tips on bills totalling $75. bet they would welcome you back anytime. "ah, here come those rich Corvette owners!"

Norm 09-25-2020 10:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO (Post 1808679)
Before anything, I'm generally a good tipper, however I do base it on service.

Now for my likely unpopular opinion...

It seems like you are leading this group's breakfast outings, even if that leadership is not in any official manner. If that's the case, lead it and do it. Collect all of the money, etc, and make it "official" as a group. If not, people are there as individuals and your opinion is quite simply irrelevant. People are going to do what they do. Expecting everybody else to subscribe to your exact tipping habits is foolish.

WTH is a "tip threshold" and who defined it? You? Why not $10 per person? Why not $15?



How long were you there? An hour? $68 an hour to serve you guys coffee doesn't seem too bad to me. Like I said, I'm usually a pretty damn good tipper, but somebody sending an email like you sent isn't going to do anything but piss me off. You want to leave them $80, $100, $150 go for it. If you want to donate, go for it. If you want to make it something resembling an official event, again, go for it. Until that point, I will continue to leave whatever tip I feel is appropriate, which may be either more or less than your "threshold" on any given day. :shrug:

I appreciate your insightful evaluation, however, we come as a group, not individuals, you want to sit someplace else in the restaurant, knock yourself out. These folks don't have to come, it's not mandatory, it is not a club function, which there are non-club members that attend, so since I've been putting these gatherings together, I have some say as to guidelines about tipping. They don't like it, I don't care too much, I'm looking out for the folks that take care of us.

So far, nothing but positive comments from the group.

Norm 09-25-2020 10:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808681)
he's got a point.

if you are the official/unofficial leader of this gang, then lead. set out rules (where we are going, how we're going to get there, when we leave HQ, how long we are staying, when we return to HQ, and how much it will cost per head/car to join along).

if you are going to burn $10 of gas having fun, then another $10 for a "tip/gift" to your favorite waitress shouldn't be breaking any budgets. and if it does, then they can stay home and watch Matlock.

imagine the reaction your gang would get if you left $200 in tips on bills totalling $75. bet they would welcome you back anytime. "ah, here come those rich Corvette owners!"

I don't have to do that, it's been the same bunch for 10 years, give or take a death or two. We all know the routine, pretty much all are used to tipping more than "required". I have advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip, this covers the waitress, busboy, and the owners inconvenience, they do not have to cater to us, we are appreciative that they do.

And, no one's arm is twisted to attend, don't like the tipping, don't come, very simple game.

RedLS1GTO 09-25-2020 11:27am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808683)
I appreciate your insightful evaluation, however, we come as a group, not individuals...

IF you are a group, you should pay as a group and eliminate the variable. You are a group... of individuals. If you pay separately, you are not a group. If you pay as a group, it should be pretty damn easy to collect money as you see fit from the start and hand it to them at the end as opposed to everybody putting individual tips out there and then complaining after the fact.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808683)
So far, nothing but positive comments from the group.

And are those positive comments are from those that agree with you from the start? You said that you "advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip". Why do you get to make that decision for everybody else? What gives you the power to tell somebody to not show up if they don't like YOUR rules on tipping? I may be missing something but it seems like you have declared yourself the leader and expect everybody else to simply do as they are told, because... well... you said to. Some folks may not take too well to self appointed leaders handing out rules. :shrug:

If I am paying for myself, I am going to be tipping however much I want to tip, no different than if I was just out with friends in any other situation.

Of course as I read this thread, it reminds me of some of the reasons that I have no desire whatsoever to be part of "groups". :leaving:

Norm 09-25-2020 12:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedLS1GTO (Post 1808695)
IF you are a group, you should pay as a group and eliminate the variable. You are a group... of individuals. If you pay separately, you are not a group. If you pay as a group, it should be pretty damn easy to collect money as you see fit from the start and hand it to them at the end as opposed to everybody putting individual tips out there and then complaining after the fact.



And are those positive comments are from those that agree with you from the start? You said that you "advised all that they leave at least a $5 tip". Why do you get to make that decision for everybody else? What gives you the power to tell somebody to not show up if they don't like YOUR rules on tipping? I may be missing something but it seems like you have declared yourself the leader and expect everybody else to simply do as they are told, because... well... you said to. Some folks may not take too well to self appointed leaders handing out rules. :shrug:

If I am paying for myself, I am going to be tipping however much I want to tip, no different than if I was just out with friends in any other situation.

Of course as I read this thread, it reminds me of some of the reasons that I have no desire whatsoever to be part of "groups". :leaving:

Yes, they ARE......my rules. I set it up, you don't have to participate, very simple game here.

Your points are well taken, and of course, they are your opinions. Some folks like to have leaders, some are followers, some don't like to belong to groups, some like to belong to groups, some are too damn lazy to take any initiative to do something as mundane as setting up a breakfast gathering of friends.

Here's the way I see it, I take it upon myself to organize these meetings of breakfast and lunch runs, because I like to. I'll set some rules to participate, no arm twisting, no ostracizing, everybody's welcome, however folks that don't like it...............there's the door.

Just like you, if you don't like, you don't participate, I do the same as well.

aerovette 09-25-2020 12:55pm

Collect 5 bucks from each person before any ordering takes place.

You're welcome.

Millenium Vette 09-25-2020 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by snide (Post 1808546)
I usually tip pretty good, unless the service was horrible.

*well

Millenium Vette 09-25-2020 1:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808651)
These individual breakfast bills usually aren't over $8, so if you were to leave a 20% tip, that's $1.60.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808410)



[I]TIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you not get the memo? Apparently there a few who haven't. We as a group, did not meet the tip threshold today, which was 16 of us x $5 = $80. We left $68.

So, you are pissed at a couple of members because they didn't leave a 62.5% tip? I don't disagree with your sentiments, but I also can understand why someone thinks a 30% tip is just fine. If I felt as strongly as you do about it I would have just reached in my own pocket for the extra $12 and not said anything. After all if I am rolling a $100,000 Corvette $12 shouldn't be a big deal to me. I would just be glad that I had a good turnout at my event.

:cert:

Norm 09-25-2020 2:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millenium Vette (Post 1808739)
So, you are pissed at a couple of members because they didn't leave a 62.5% tip? I don't disagree with your sentiments, but I also can understand why someone thinks a 30% tip is just fine. If I felt as strongly as you do about it I would have just reached in my own pocket for the extra $12 and not said anything. After all if I am rolling a $100,000 Corvette $12 shouldn't be a big deal to me. I would just be glad that I had a good turnout at my event.

:cert:

Nah, not pissed, just want the skinflints to realize we are not a cheap bunch.

And I have done the throwing in of extra money, more times than I can remember in the past 10 years, that gets old. Not counting any holidays that fall on Thursday, I've roughly did about 450 of these gatherings.

Asking everyone, gimme 5 bucks, gimme 5 bucks, I'm not doing that shit either.:D

DAB 09-25-2020 2:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808438)
next gathering: before you depart Norm Inc., walk around, collect $10 from everyone. now you have everyone's tip in hand ahead of time. $10 a head, not per car.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aerovette (Post 1808723)
Collect 5 bucks from each person before any ordering takes place.

You're welcome.

:toetap: low bidder?

DAB 09-25-2020 2:14pm

easy solution: let someone else "organize" your next road trip.

you both want to lead this rag tag group, but at the same time, not lead them in the sense of making sure a sufficient tip is left behind for your non-group group. pick one end of the pool and jump in already.

Norm 09-25-2020 2:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808756)
easy solution: let someone else "organize" your next road trip.

you both want to lead this rag tag group, but at the same time, not lead them in the sense of making sure a sufficient tip is left behind for your non-group group. pick one end of the pool and jump in already.

What the hell are you talking about, who's you both?

No one has ever stepped up in this group to organize these runs. These every Thursday get togethers are like second nature to these guys, they know they're going to breakfast at 0900 regardless of the weather, like folks going to church every Sunday. These guys don't make Dr's appointments or schedule anything on Thursday mornings.

If I can't make it, I still set it up, and they go.

DAB 09-25-2020 3:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808757)
What the hell are you talking about, who's you both?

No one has ever stepped up in this group to organize these runs. These every Thursday get togethers are like second nature to these guys, they know they're going to breakfast at 0900 regardless of the weather, like folks going to church every Sunday. These guys don't make Dr's appointments or schedule anything on Thursday mornings.

If I can't make it, I still set it up, and they go.

you want to lead and you want to not lead - you seem to want to do both at the same time.

fancy writing! :dance:

Norm 09-25-2020 5:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808771)
you want to lead and you want to not lead - you seem to want to do both at the same time.

fancy writing! :dance:

I don't know where you're coming from with this lead not lead stuff, I don't lead anyone, I may make suggestions, but certainly don't lead anyone.

I send out an email on Tuesday advising those that want to attend the Thursday breakfast, it will be at such and such at 9.

That's about it.

DAB 09-25-2020 5:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Norm (Post 1808822)
I don't know where you're coming from with this lead not lead stuff, I don't lead anyone, I may make suggestions, but certainly don't lead anyone.

I send out an email on Tuesday advising those that want to attend the Thursday breakfast, it will be at such and such at 9.

That's about it.

you organize the get together, you select where everyone is going and when and how. that's leading the pack.

but in another breath, you disclaim you are leading anyone anywhere.

you can't have it both ways.

Norm 09-25-2020 6:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAB (Post 1808826)
you organize the get together, you select where everyone is going and when and how. that's leading the pack.

but in another breath, you disclaim you are leading anyone anywhere.

you can't have it both ways.

I don't have anything both ways, I just suggest and send info.

Yes, I organize, not lead.
Yes, I select the establishment, but not lead.
Yes, I select the time, but not lead.

One thing you keep forgetting, this is voluntary, no one is ordered to participate. If these folks want to follow my suggestions, that's on them.
But lead anyone? That would fall under someone who is either commissioned, sworn, or in a position of leadership with subordinates that have to take orders........I'm in neither of those positions.

BOTY 09-25-2020 6:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by snide (Post 1808546)
I usually tip pretty good, unless the service was horrible.

:yesnod:

Dan Dlabay 09-25-2020 6:39pm

If I get good serve I chip 20%.:cert:

Rikki Z-06 09-25-2020 7:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by z06psi (Post 1808671)
If that was a question to my question then you could have just said "yes".

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Millenium Vette 09-25-2020 7:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Dlabay (Post 1808843)
If I get good serve I chip 20%.:cert:

That would be only a $1.60 on one of these $8 breakfasts at the Oldster Corvette meeting. Norm would have enough of your cheap ass.

:cool2:

Just messing with you guys. I agree with Norm about leaving a nice tip for the group.

:cert:


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