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lspencer534 09-06-2017 5:32pm

We shouldn't deport illegal aliens...
 
because it's unfair to punish them for what their parents did?

But I'm on the hook for slavery and Jim Crow because of the actions of long-dead people totally unrelated to me.

Got it.

Barn Babe 09-06-2017 5:39pm

:waiting:

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 5:50pm

Legalize the Dreamers, just as soon as they prove that their illegal alien parents who broke the law by bringing them here have left the country for good. Prevent them from daisy chaining those same parents and relatives back into the US.

Also, I'll need to see a COMPLETED border wall, end of birthright citizenship for children born here to foreigners, mandatory e-verify, and vastly increased resources for deportation, as well as a complete elimination of sanctuary cities.

If Congress isn't willing to do that, then send the Dreamers home, to make their own countries great.

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 6:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583320)
I guess you missed the part where they aren't eligible for a shitload of benefits, they have to pay to be in the program, they have to go through school / maintain a job, they have to maintain a clean record, and a huge majority of them are already in line to become citizens.

But yeah, all that stuff you said. :slap:

I'm not talking about DACA, I'm talking about the end goal, which is getting them citizenship, and I think Trump is OK with that. I think the majority of Americans are OK with that, but this go-round, the people want to know that this is the last time illegal immigration has to be hashed out, that there won't be hordes of new illegals sneaking in and we won't be having this same conversation in another 30 years.

....which is why I mentioned all that stuff.

StaticCling 09-06-2017 6:51pm

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Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583333)
...which has nothing to do with the current DACA situation?

I think what he is trying to say is that DACA is essentially putting the cart before the horse...

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 6:58pm

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Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583333)
...which has nothing to do with the current DACA situation?

Which has everything to do with the current DACA situation. Trump is forcing Congress to start doing its job, and holding a fairly sympathetic group hostage to do so. DACA was set to sunset all on its own anyway, without Trump lifting a finger. Trump gave the patently unconstitutional program another 6 months to wrap up.

Trump asked nicely. Now he's using extortion to get Congress to bend the knee on the border wall, outlawing sanctuary cities, and all other things illegal immigration related. Finally, middle class nobody, member of no special interest victim group Bill, has someone fighting for the things he wants.

http://www.publicseminar.org/wp-cont...elsgoodman.png

Stangkiller 09-06-2017 7:46pm

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Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583350)
Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan. :kick:

Heavily invested my ass. The heavily invested folks would have left the country and applied to come back legally. The rest of the ****s are stealing social security number (identity theft) or working under the table (tax evasion) and are criminals and should be treated as such. Any employer caught with employees they know are using illegal social security numbers, or are paying employees under the table should be fined to the brink of going out of business, they're stealing from all of us when they do that.

Do I think we should make it easier for hard working immigrants to come to get country and work? Yup, but that doesn't mean they can simply ignore the laws as they are written today.

Do I think we should raise or eliminate the speed limit on most highways? Yes, but that doesn't mean I can Double the posted speed limit without being arrested.

JRD77VET 09-06-2017 7:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583350)
Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan. :kick:

OK, so where do you draw the line on the people that BROKE THE LAW TO GET INTO THE COUNTRY?

It's a big kick in the teeth to the folks that are doing it LEGALLY to get into our country to allow "line jumpers" an easy pass.

There are laws in this country and we don't get to pick and choose which ones we would like to obey. ( without concern of repercussions )

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 8:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583350)
Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan. :kick:

Ah, but there's the rub. Trump is screwing no one. Trump is restoring the rule of law by phasing out the fiction of an unconstitutional edict, so he has the law on his side, and if Congress fails to act, that's on Congress, not on Trump, and not even on the deplorables that voted for Trump. Blame Obama for getting the Dreamers' hopes up in the first place.

You want this thing? How much do you want it? If Congress doesn't permanently fix immigration this time, I guess they (and by extension, all the people that voted for those Congress critters) didn't want it as much as you did. If this doesn't get done, there will be blame enough for all to go around.....not the least of which will be to the illegal alien parents who brought them here in the first place. People act like these folks accidentally got caught on the wrong side of the border through absolutely no fault of their own. No. They gambled that breaking the law would work out for them, and thus far, it has.

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 8:05pm

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Originally Posted by JRD77VET (Post 1583354)
OK, so where do you draw the line on the people that BROKE THE LAW TO GET INTO THE COUNTRY?

It's a big kick in the teeth to the folks that are doing it LEGALLY to get into our country to allow "line jumpers" an easy pass.

There are laws in this country and we don't get to pick and choose which ones we would like to obey. ( without concern of repercussions )

Talk about an inconvenient truth....

Fasglas 09-06-2017 8:15pm

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Originally Posted by Waco (Post 1583350)
Sounds like a great reason to fvck over nearly a million people that are heavily invested in becoming citizens.

Good plan. :kick:

Sucks to be them.

They knew this day would come, yet did nothing to help their cause.

:kimblair:

bill_daniels 09-06-2017 8:21pm

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Originally Posted by Fasglas (Post 1583370)
Sucks to be them.

They knew this day would come, yet did nothing to help their cause.

:kimblair:

Huh? All that protesting didn't help?

https://libertasintel.files.wordpres...pg?w=648&h=327

JRD77VET 09-06-2017 9:03pm

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Originally Posted by bill_daniels (Post 1583371)
Huh? All that protesting didn't help?

https://libertasintel.files.wordpres...pg?w=648&h=327

Such fine upstanding "wanna be" citizens :rolleyes:

Actions have consequences and it's not a good idea to aggravate the gate keeper.


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