Answer me this....
 

If Iran is behind the attack on Saudi Arabia....Why are we involved in all of the intelligence and appear to be on the hook for being the ones to condemn the attacks as well as the ones that have to “substantially increase sanctions”?

Maybe Saudi Arabia is just going to attack instead of talk.

Wouldn't that be great if it were to happen?

If a military fight is to occur, it needs to be between S.A. and Iran. The US has an interest in this, and I'm perfectly OK with more economic sanctions, although I thought we were already at 'maximum pressure.' How much more than maximum is there?

oil?

Yes and no. An actual direct war, vs. the proxy war Iran and S.A. are currently fighting in Yemen, would solidify the Iranian government, and galvanize their people behind the government, which is what the mullahs obviously want.

If S.A. is to retaliate, it needs to be more of a tit-for-tat strike, maybe hitting Iran's missile and drone capability? A full scale war is not good for us, for the rest of the world, not good for S.A. and not good for the Iranian people, a significant portion of which might prefer not to live under an Islamic theocracy.

Oil is a world commodity, so yes. Watch the gas pumps near your house in the coming weeks. This attack just cost you, and every other person on the planet, real money in the form of higher energy prices, even though the US has plenty of oil.


We also have an interest in Muslim terror. The current S.A. leader, MbS, had demonstrated a willingness to play ball in that arena. He jailed and stripped money from other royal family members who supported terrorism. He had the Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece Khashoggi chopped up. MbS seems to be a Muslim we can work with. Trust, but verify, and all that. I'd like to see him do more to stop S.A.'s mosque building spree world wide though.

Compare and contrast with the Iranian leaders, who are in-your-face backing Muslim terrorists.

It’s the burden of being a world leader. In spite of what the media would have us think, people still look to us for leadership.

I'm sick of the USA being the Policeman and 911 of the world. Let SA and Iran solve their own problems.

Maybe the Saudis can make up for all their anti-American (while shaking our hands) bullshit and blast the hell out of anything nuke related that Iran has. I'd be willing to turn the other cheek to the (some of) Saudi's crap if they did that.

An acquaintance from Pakistan was asked about this and the response was..."We don't like the US being the world police BUT, if there has to be a world police, we are glad it is the US".

Coming weeks? Local stations already jumped.

News was saying tonight the Saudis and US was caught off guard on this. From another view here is this was a good thing in that Iran has demonstated what they can do at a specific level and with accuracy.

This isn't scud missle technology anymore where a rocket is stuffed in a camels mouth and launched by pounding down onhis nuts and hope for the best.

Now that this has been seen, new measures and strategy will be done. Iran has been a pain in the ass since I started flying in th Army back in 75 with the hostages a couple years later.

The purpose of sanctions is get the people to uprise against their own government. Iran is saying if you don't slack off, we will continue. Remember the Libya Airstikes back in 2011?

I think once this puzzle has been put together, we'll turn on the news one morning to see a repeat in Iran.

Trump is to America as America is to the world. There are deep hater countries and embracing countries. Sanctions or no sanctions, Iran will never be an ally. Iran will never cooperate. They will do enough visible bad, that it creates a smokescreen for what they are really up to. Like a magician, what you CAN'T/DON'T see is what is really happening.

This event creates more questions than answers. Is Iran getting desperate due to sanctions? The sanctions have greatly reduced income. The "oil hit" was probably a calculated move to drive up prices as they can only get so much oil out of the country ( thanks to china for buying their oil --assholes)

Were the missiles and drones iranian design or chinese ( or other country/ russian) ? They just had a real world test flying into SA air space.

We have another carrier group ( minus the aircraft carrier ) heading to the area. Maybe a massive swarm of missiles and laser guided missiles to retaliate?

Maybe supply a friendly country with armorment to do the hit? Israel doesn't want them to get too close to atomic weapons.

Also, Libya quieted right down after we stuck a cruise missile into gaddafi's bedroom window.

This is definitely the attitude in Afghanistan among the locals. They hate the Taliban.

I hope SA amd Israel team up and take out oil and other tactical sites. That’s the way to go. America applies diplomatic and economic pressure, SA amd Israel have US weapons and training with support from Joint Special Operations Command.

I see no reason for us to hit directly.

The solution is SO damn easy, it's pathetic, shituation fixed permanently and forever in about a day, maybe less......

hit that underground bunker of iran's.....where the nuky crap is going on, blast every opening, they die underground.....if necessary, collapse the roof...go nuky if necessary....

and at same time, maybe 15 minits later.....blast all of the electric plants in ALL of islam darkness, no comm of any type, no lights, no WATER, no transportation, they run genracs until their tanks run dry....

maybe hit any refineries they have.....

when I say ALL of islam, I mean ALL, from west Africa all the way around to south Pakistan....let India take over in paki land....

SO, when that happens, all the folks grab a camel and find a oasis, like 200 years ago......

I post this 'final' solution to islam all the time, and get NO responses I guess because everyone knows I"m right, just too scared to admit it.....

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I won't say carrying SAs water is good or bad. I'll suggest there's plenty going on behind the scenes that probably won't see the light of day. There's some folks doing the right thing and furthering the security of the US. Oh yea, and there's a dumbass in the corner fukking up too.

I agree with this, and yes the sanctions are working. Problem is the radicals in the country are not just in the leadership positions. A large portion of the Iranian people want to be like Western society (us) but their government sees no benefit (or profit for themselves) in that.

Our failure with Iran started in 1979 when we failed to carper bomb them around the clock after they took our embassy personnel captive.

And whenever these scumbags got caught being behind attacks like the Marine in Lebanon up to the bounties offered for dead Americans in Afghanistan and Iraq we emboldened them.

Add in that if global oil prices spike the probability of a global economic slowdown or recession grows exponentially.

This is what happens when you do not come down hard on fanatical behavior when it first raises it ugly head.

As for Iran the US caused the problem by helping to form one of the most brutal secret police force in history.

"The SAVAK was the Shah of Iran’s secret police force from 1957 until the Iranian Revolution in 1979. Trained in part by the CIA, SAVAK was an extremely repressive police force in a society that dealt with dissidents swiftly. Known to torture its victims with methods including electric shock, removal of teeth and finger nails, as well as boiling water treatment, SAVAK spent the majority of its resources weeding out and torturing either the Shia or communist opponents to the Shah’s rule. While executions were not as widespread as other secret police forces, torture was a matter of course, with many political prisoners left in solitary confinement for lengthy periods of time, deprived of sleep and burned, either by cigarette, grills or even acid. After the revolution in Iran in 1979, SAVAK was nominally disbanded, and a new Iranian secret police force, SAVAMA, as largely feared as its predecessor, took over. While SAVAMA was a new police force in name, many historians argue that SAVAMA was merely an extension of its predecessor, maintaining the same methods as before."

https://www.therichest.com/the-bigge...es-in-history/

Once again that spineless peanut farmer is still screwing us decades later. :bslap:

Please also point out that Iran was a close
Partner with Germany up to an including Nazi Germany. Their partnership with them brought about our interference.

Actions have consequences.

As for the Iran/Germany tie in WWII;

"n the midst of World War II, in 1941, Nazi Germany began the so-called Operation Barbarossa and invaded the Soviet Union, breaking the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact. This had a major impact on Iran, which had declared neutrality in the conflicts.[155] Later that year, following an Anglo-Soviet invasion of Iran, Reza Shah was forced to abdicate in favor of his son, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.[156][157] Subsequently, Iran became a major conduit for British and American aid to the Soviet Union, until the end of the ongoing war"

The American interference in the 50's in Iran and it's elected government;

"In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddegh was appointed as the Prime Minister. He became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's petroleum industry and oil reserves. He was deposed in the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, an Anglo-American covert operation that marked the first time the United States had participated in the overthrow of a foreign government during the Cold War."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran

Operation Ajax.

When it comes to Iran, we did this to ourselves.

Thank you.

More info on Operation Ajax below.

"In August of 1953, the United States’ Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) executed a coup against Mohammad Mossadegh’s democratic government in Iran. The CIA code name given to this coup d’état was Operation Ajax. Operation Ajax remains important in world history because it is often believed to be the initial cause of anti-Western sentiment in the Islamic Republic of Iran."

"It is debated by numerous scholars from around the world if Operation Ajax and the restoration of the unpopular Reza Shah to power, was the beginning of ill feelings towards the US in Iran and led to the Iranian Hostage Crisis in which 52 hostages were held inside the U.S. Embassy in Tehran for 444 days. The aftermath of Operation Ajax is also believed to be the roots of the Iranian Revolution in which, Reza Shah went into exile and the anti-Western Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini rose to power."

https://www.wisegeek.com/what-was-operation-ajax.htm

I think you are spot on.

And you would be right too....

On PBS News last night, Fri 9-20-19, it was mentioned that SA is 5th in the world in defense spending and yet they can't defend themselves.

The USA is sending anti-missile defense batteries, has US Navy ship defending the SA coast and is thinking of sending a few thousand troops.

Read the Norman Schwarzkopf Jr. book a few years ago. I was surprised to learn that on the eve of the coalition advance against the Iraq's, the King of SA wanted didn't want his troops to invade. He claimed Arabs don't attack Arabs.

Schwarzkopf convinced him to use his troops to liberate Kuwait.

Read the SA has a strong AF but small Army. I guess a large Army would make the 6,000 Princes who control the country nervous. He who controls the Army, controls the country.

Just put up a “no drone” sign. That should work